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Children with cancer scammed out of millions fundraised for their treatment

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Re: Children with cancer scammed out of millions fundraised for their treatment

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Post by jack_tripper »

throwaway198846 wrote: post #290
jack_tripper wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the leaders of my country didn't try any of that. You were the first person to think about those things. I'll pass on your suggestions and hopefully everything gets resolved.

Instead of being sarcastic you could be good faith and provide further information and explore what happened and explain what do you think Israel should do differently?

>Instead of being sarcastic you could be good faith

What was bad faith? I told you what happened. I was sarcastic because your comment was redundant and didn't add anything to the conversation, only instigating.

> and provide further information explore what happened

How does that change the situation? Are you the head prosecutor of Israel and looking to rectify the situation?

>what you think Israel should do differently?

Extradite them or put them in jail over there and stop being a safe heaven for criminals.

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Post by htrp »

throwaw12 wrote: post #34

I have reported these ads to YouTube multiple times, because I tracked down their scam websites, but YouTube didn't delete them anyway. Common pattern they had was: - similar or same domains - same messaging on their website YouTube could have taken action, but it choose not to

reminder that according to Facebook's own analysis 10% of their 2024 revenue comes from scams and banned products

Re: Children with cancer scammed out of millions fundraised for their treatment

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Post by lo_zamoyski »

dev0p wrote: post #65
tchalla wrote: post #41

The root cause of the problem is that parents and children need to raise funds for cancer treatment in the first place.

It's likely caused by the very same thing that causes human beings to knowingly and willingly steal money from children that need that money to live.

> It's likely caused by the very same thing that causes human beings to

We’re not billiard balls. We have agency. Nothing causes a human being to choose to commit immoral acts vs. immoral acts. A human being may be put in a situation that may entice that person’s corrupt desires (we used to call this temptation), and responsibility while mitigating culpability is possible when someone’s rational faculties are overwhelmed, but the choice remains.

Blaming systems for theft is scapegoating and an evasion of responsibility. (To make this clearer by distinction: a starving man taking bread from an overstocked warehouse during a famine is not choosing to commit an immoral act; he isn’t stealing in the first place, as some share of that bread is his).

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Post by reactordev »

fireflash38 wrote: post #280
selfmodruntime wrote: post #232

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Orphan crushing proponent: "Why should I pay for orphans not to be crushed??"

There's money to be made on arbitration of orphan crushing! If I don't do it someone else will.

Introducing “The Automatic Orphan Crusher 9000” complete with conveyor belt fed chutes and titanium jaws, no orphan can escape! Just place a piece of candy…”

Re: Children with cancer scammed out of millions fundraised for their treatment

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Post by layer8 »

jack_tripper wrote: post #252
withinboredom wrote: post #230

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There are multiple lists here in the NL. I called for a surgery and got put on the fast list (she said that if it weren’t urgent, it would be over a year wait). Your doc has a lot of influence on how urgent things are and how far you are willing to travel. I got in to see a therapist in a matter of weeks, because I was willing to travel out of the city; otherwise it will be months. The doc can see the lines and give…

Doesn't work like that in Austria. Or my doctor's were unwilling to fake urgency to bypass the waiting system for me. Anyway, do you not realize the fault with the system in your logic? Because if everything becomes urgent in order to bypass queues, then nothing is urgent anymore. It doesn't fix the problem, you're just scamming the system to get ahead of the problem.

I don’t think the parent implied lying about urgency.

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Post by layer8 »

jack_tripper wrote: post #225
intended wrote: post #222

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I think the 2024 Economics Nobel disproves this. It showed that nations with strong institutions create wealth - and it was a causative link they proved, not simply correlation.

How does that disprove what I said about abundance or lack thereof in socialized systems? Feels like an orthogonal issue. Socialized systems don't work without abundance. How you generate that abundance is orthogonal to socialism since even countries that are wealthy on paper suffer from shortages and long waiting times in public healthcare leading to a gray-market of using connections to get ahead or more private us…

They are arguing that nepotism caused the lack of abundance, instead of the lack of abundance causing the nepotism as you are arguing.

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Post by sarchertech »

DiscourseFan wrote: post #288
HlessClaudesman wrote: post #71

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Some people seem to exist in a bubble where they believe that nothing bad will ever happen to them or their loved ones, so paying to improve society has no benefit to themselves.

But charitable causes perpetuate the problems by creating an industry around them rather than trying to find solutions for them. You can’t trust industry to solve civil problems like healthcare or housing, since they shouldn’t be problems in the first place. Its like trying to trust the free market to keep people from raping and killing each other—people will rape and kill with or without the market! Some level of co…

This isn’t about free market vs single payer healthcare. These kids are from poor countries. Unless you’re arguing for rich countries to offer literal worldwide healthcare.
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