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DeepSeek uses banned Nvidia chips for AI model, report says

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Re: DeepSeek uses banned Nvidia chips for AI model, report says

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Any other motivation forfeiting citizens' interests are perceived as treason, therefore immoral, so yes.

So for example addressing climate change might be perceived as treason if it gets in the way of optimizing economic interests?

It can, especially when some other countries commission a new coal power plant every week.

Re: DeepSeek uses banned Nvidia chips for AI model, report says

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> Yes, they were "actively working on it"; no, they had made little significant progress despite throwing tons of money at the initiative. That's how things sometimes go when you're building up a capability. I'm sure they were going to work through the setbacks, regardless. >> The US's problem is that its actions are uncoordinated. > They are coordinated well enough, but with the goal of magnifying Cheeto Benito's pe…

No. That problem is bigger than the Trump administrations, focusing on him is lazy. It's absurd to say that without elaborating on how anyone else was "just as bad," which I expect will be a key part of your next reply. Trump is fucking bad , and if you disagree after all we've seen, you're either arguing in bad faith, or you're not such a great person yourself. He is costing us every jot and tittle of soft power we…

> It's absurd to say that without elaborating on how anyone else was "just as bad," which I expect will be a key part of your next reply.

> Trump is fucking bad, and if you disagree after all we've seen, you're either arguing in bad faith, or you're not such a great person yourself. He is costing us every jot and tittle of soft power we ever wielded as a nation.

Sorry dude, all of that is coming from inside your own head. You're so blinded by Trump that you're incapable of having this conversation.

I don't want to put in the effort to try to fix that. Have a nice day.

Re: DeepSeek uses banned Nvidia chips for AI model, report says

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I was just selling my RTX 4090 on Ebay recently and got a ton of bids from Chinese accounts. The winner ($2,325) had Australia set as the country on their profile, but a Chinese name on the account, and the order shipping address was to a different Chinese name (to a regular single-family house in Delaware). Most bidders straight up had China as their profile country. So my 4090 (24 GB) is probably going to get turne…

> So my 4090 (24 GB) is probably going to get turned into a 48/96 GB VRAM frankenstein in a Chinese chop shop Cool, though. Where can I buy one? :p

Same!

Re: DeepSeek uses banned Nvidia chips for AI model, report says

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This is just "might makes right" but modern. I don't know that this is the consistent, wide-held belief that you seem to think it is. Plenty of people would rather our governments not engage in clandestine disruption and undermining of foreign governments. Competition is inevitable, especially between geopolitical rivals, but we don't have to engage in Minitrue-style "the enemy has always been our enemy" rhetoric.

Do you think countries behave differently than what the parent has said? This has been going on forever, since the first clan of humans fought another, any reasoning other than "might makes right" is a post-hoc rationalization not based in history.

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Re: DeepSeek uses banned Nvidia chips for AI model, report says

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This is just "might makes right" but modern. I don't know that this is the consistent, wide-held belief that you seem to think it is. Plenty of people would rather our governments not engage in clandestine disruption and undermining of foreign governments. Competition is inevitable, especially between geopolitical rivals, but we don't have to engage in Minitrue-style "the enemy has always been our enemy" rhetoric.

We live under economic conditions created by a government that does intervene. And a greater world order established by a hegemon that does intervene. It would be interesting to see what life would be like today had that not happened. It might be better, it might be worse. Probably a little of both for different groups of people. As the world returns to multi-polarity, there are signs of increases in violence. The la…

I think this is too simplistic of an outlook. The post-Napoleonic balance of powers was not uni-polar, it was a carefully constructed and negotiated settlement by diplomats and politicians who knew the cost of war, and it lasted a remarkable 99 years. There were skirmishes in the interim, but the balance of power ensured that the bloodletting never escalated to the point of continent-spanning "world" war...until it did.

Pax Americana, by contrast, was essentially a standoff between ideological opposites that were equipped with enough nuclear weapons to assure mutual destruction. The choices were clear - coexist or die, and there were many opportunities where we narrowly escaped the second option.

You could point to many possible causes of WW1, but I think that a lot of the causes can be traced back to a hot-headed emperor who desired a larger and more prestigious empire but lacked the statecraft to do so without pissing off nearly all of his neighbors. Looking around at our world today at the number of unserious leaders who govern like a bull in a china shop, I would be lying if I didn't see any similar causes for concern.

Re: DeepSeek uses banned Nvidia chips for AI model, report says

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The US sanctions have nothing to do with free market maximalism. I thought that was quite obvious historically and specially now. They've imposed tariffs on literally every country on the planet.

It's my fault for wading into a political discussion on a forum of react developers. That's on me. But the "banned" chips this article is referring to and the original chips act is from the Biden administration, having nothing to do with the current tariff climate. Also, obviously US actions have nothing to do with free market maximalism. Nor does China feel that way either. Which is my point.

Forum of react developers is wild. I, for one, appreciate the humor

Re: DeepSeek uses banned Nvidia chips for AI model, report says

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Give me 1 reason why the USA, the (for now) leader of "the west", is morally superior to China?

I’ve got one. The US doesn’t mow down its citizens with tanks for protesting, and then perpetually suppress all discussion of the incident. (Yes, there have been situations that are similar in theme, but they paw in comparison to that incident.)

You felt the need to backpedal before hitting submit, so you're almost there.

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So for example addressing climate change might be perceived as treason if it gets in the way of optimizing economic interests?

It can, especially when some other countries commission a new coal power plant every week.

I hate this talking point so much. If you are talking about China, that's just growth. They are also rolling out more solar than the rest of the world combined. While the US is now actively discouraging investing in renewables.
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