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Post by hearsathought »

richardfeynman wrote: post #267
hearsathought wrote: post #249

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> 1. There aren't a lot of dead civilians given that... It's amazing how similarly zionists/israelis and nazis rationalize. > 2. Semites is not an ethnicity, it's a language family, sorry. When used colloquially it has always referred to Jews. "Semitic people or Semites is a term for an ethnic, cultural or racial group[2][3][4][5] associated with people of the Middle East and the Horn of Africa, including Akkadians (…

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> 1. What's the similarity in your view between "zionist rationalization" and "nazi rationalization"?

Penchant for rationalizing away acts of genocide and dehumanize peoples. The only difference is zionists dehumanize actual semites ( palestinians) while nazis dehumanized european "jews". Zionists/"Israelis" are actual anti-semites. While nazis were anti-european "jews". Heady stuff.

> To me this sounds like more antisemitic nonsense, you comparing zionists to Nazis.

I'm comparing apples to apples.

> So using “Semitic” to argue that Israelis are “fake” or “non-Semites” is simply incorrect.

"Israelis" are europeans. Europeans are not semites.

> 3. The germanic language group is a family of languages that includes dutch, english, yiddish, afrikkans, etc. The germanic people includes germany, not brits and americans.

But germanic people includes ENGLISH though. It's pathetic what you are trying to do here.

> 5. I'm not lying.

That's all you have done. "Arabs are not semites". Lie. "Israel wasn't trying to kill civilians". Lie.

Re: Israel used Palantir technologies in pager attack in Lebanon

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Post by alephnerd »

joecool1029 wrote: post #269
alephnerd wrote: post #192

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Most likely as a data lakehouse, but the Palantir angle is most likely overstated - Palantir has a tiny presence in Israel, and has had a history of overstating it's intel and defense credentials (eg. A three letter agency that churned Palantir was named for years after before they stopped calling them out). That said, I have heard some positive feedback about Palantir's data integration capabilities - most other ven…

Thanks for attempting to answer what I was asking about. I have had difficulty finding out more about it, the alleged ex-Palantir commenter said this would be part of their Gotham product, but most of what I could find on that was buzzword data visualization stuff. If their old post history and what you're saying is accurate, then it's really just a database integration tool with a nice interface?

> it's really just a database integration tool with a nice interface

In a way, though I think it understates how difficult of a problem unified data integration is - especially in organizations with disparate schemas and internal data that may often not be well documented and with dev teams that are often personnel strapped.

Most other vendors in the data integration space don't provide the same degree of support and hand-holding that Palantir does with their FDEs. The FDE model is their secret weapon tbh - it makes it easy for organizations to gain temporary staff augmentation without having to expend their hiring budget.

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Post by guelo »

breppp wrote: post #153
ada1981 wrote: post #133

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For the IDF, a 28.6% civilian death rate is actually quite good. Their own classified data reveals an 83% civilian casualty rate in Gaza—nearly three times worse. The Lebanon pager attack: 12 civilians (including 2 children) killed out of 42 total deaths (28.6% civilian casualty rate). Gaza genocide: Leaked IDF intelligence documents show 8,900 militants killed out of 53,000 total deaths as of May 2025 (83% civilian…

According to Hezbollah sources 1500 of their terrorists were taken out of commission due to this attack. Making the death ratio 42/1500 or 3% while if only taking the civilian ratio that's even lower. Even the 12 civilian count is probably higher than reality because it is doubtful that 12 civilians had access to a military clandestine communication device https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hezbollahs-tunnels.…

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Post by Seattle3503 »

jmyeet wrote: post #195

There are a few different angles to this. 1. If any other state had done this, we'd be correctly calling this a terrorist attack and there wouldn't be any question about it; and 2. Palantir was a partner in developing several AI systems used for targeting missile strikes in Gaza. Collectively these tend to be called Lavender [1][2]. Another of these systems is called "Where's Daddy". What does it do? It targets alleg…

We have the ICC. It was set up by lawyers with subject matter expertise. The liberal democratic nations of the world could decide to start using and empowering that.

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Post by stackedinserter »

zug_zug wrote: post #209
impossiblefork wrote: post #184

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No. Generals are always legitimate military targets.

So let me just understand your position here. Suppose the US declares war on Venezuela. Suppose a venezuelan living in America just looks up a bunch of US generals addresses online, and then sets all their houses on fire killing them in their sleep in their McMansions in suburbia. Are you saying that's a valid military strike, and therefore can't possibly be terrorism? Suppose this person is so successful he kills 1,…

That's a valid military strike, period.

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Post by fabian2k »

Cyph0n wrote: post #260
breppp wrote: post #179

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https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/pagers-drones-how-... Here is Hezbollah boasting to Reuters before the pagers attack, about how it moved to using pagers and couriers to counter Israeli intelligence. As you can guess, with the advent of mobile phones in the 2000s, pagers became obsolete in Lebanon

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They didn't put bombs in pagers that were freely sold. They put them into shipments for Hizbollah specifically.

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Post by worldsavior »

tw04 wrote: post #85
bunji wrote: post #69

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The intended targets of the exploding papers weren't civilians. Very few actual civilians ended up hurt by the detonations, much fewer than attacks by conventional weapons. It's about as targeted an attack as one can achieve from a distance. As an act of warfare, Israel did a splendid job on this. Thoroughly impressive work.

> Very few actual civilians ended up hurt by the detonations, much fewer than attacks by conventional weapons. The reports are 4,000 wounded and 12 killed unintended targets in order to kill 42 targets. On what planet is that “very few actual civilians”? I think you knew full well before posting that’s a ridiculous claim which is why you did it anonymously.

> in order to kill 42 targets.

This is not correct. Each one that had this pager was connected to Hezbollah, i.e. a soldier of Hezbollah. This attack was meant to "disable" a very big portion of Hezbollah, which it did (4000 of them).

This is one of the most sophisticated attacks to avoid civilian casualty.

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Post by therobots927 »

nextstep wrote: post #261
therobots927 wrote: post #251

HN let this one fall through the cracks I guess. Usually this article would get flagged in under 10 minutes of being up.

It was flagged and enough people complained about censorship that is was resurrected with a pinned post from dang about how we should be civil

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Post by Cyph0n »

fabian2k wrote: post #296
Cyph0n wrote: post #260

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They didn't put bombs in pagers that were freely sold. They put them into shipments for Hizbollah specifically.

1. I was responding to the incorrect point that pagers are not used by civilians.

2. You are aware that Hezbollah has a civilian/political arm, right?

3. Surely Israel - the most moral country on the planet - painstakingly vetted pager possession before detonating them en masse?

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Post by breppp »

Cyph0n wrote: post #281
breppp wrote: post #273

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Doctors don't use pagers anymore, just like tech on calls used to and don't anymore. Mobile phones are far superior for that, and are very available anywhere in the world, and especially to doctors Regarding whether that's brilliant, that is not my wording, but generally it was quite mild compared to the methods of Hezbollah and was highly successful in ending a war with very little bloodshed. The other alternative w…

Doctors still use pagers. I don’t know about Lebanon in particular, but I would wager they still use them there too. The rest is a bunch of hypotheticals. I am also unsure where the conclusion that Hezbollah is dead is coming from. Was their operational capability degraded? Of course. Is the group dead? Absolutely not.

Regarding the pagers in any case these were specially imported by hezbollah, so these were not used by doctors, even if we assume they only use pagers in Lebanon.

Regarding the group, it has signed a cease fire agreement with very unfavorable terms which essentially let Israel bomb any of its members or locations that violate the terms of the cease fire agreement and the lebanese army did not work to resolve, this happens on a weekly basis since the end of the war

If you compare this state to the state just prior to October 2023 where Hezbollah had setup a tent in Israeli territory which Israel was too afraid to do something about for months over fear of starting a war, then this is essentially a complete break up in my opinion.

Is it dead? no. it's alive enough to keep lebanon in its permanent failed state status due to fear of all other sects of civil war. But together with what happened to its patron, and the local popularity it lost it might break up completely

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