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Everything that a certain population of the US correlated with the color Blue dislikes is considered hate speech by them, so things become impractical. Thankfully there are fewer and fewer snowflakes.

The trump administration is labeling people against fascism as domestic terrorists. Please don’t make this website Reddit with your idiotic views about ‘snowflakes’

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1: I'm guessing it's mostly in blue states? 2: I think there's a real desire to sort of go hard on eliminating globalization in all ways. "America is for Americans" and all that. I think the ideology trumps economics considerations.

Florida hasn't been voting blue recently. Tourism accounts for 8% of their Gross State Product versus 3% for California. California does bring in more tourism money, but it's still less percentage wise.

4d chess then.

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Rights can be inalienable but not universal. These rights are conferred by the government, but arise by virtue of membership in a body politic. For example, the right to vote isn’t universal but the government can’t take it away. Free speech arises out of America’s Anglo history and tradition and was viewed by the founders as a political right that protects democracy. There is nothing inconsistent about saying that t…

The people you're describing found it consistent with liberty to own other humans, so forgive me if I am skeptical. I understand your point, I just have a different theory of rights. Just because something is logically conistent doesn't mean I agree with the starting premises. Personally, are any of your beliefs or statements things that could ban you for entry into the US? Because I have quite a few things that I ha…

I’m not trying to persuade you about the premises, but only that—as a result of those premises—the slippery slope you fear is longer than you assume. For people who draw fundamental inside/outside distinctions, things that are intolerable for outsiders to say are tolerable for insiders to say.

I view America as a hot cup of coffee, and the outside world as lukewarm day old coffee. I’m not worried about how hot or cold individual molecules inside America are—the average will work out. My concern is about dumping lukewarm coffee from the outside into the cup.

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A lot of things will be harder for the US to do if everyone in the world hates us. Letting people come here and see that most Americans aren't monsters pays dividends beyond the dollars they spend. The Trump Administrations actions read like a checklist of things you'd do if you wanted to destroy the US's power to protect itself and its allies and promote the well-being of its people.

> Letting people come here and see that most Americans aren't monsters pays dividends beyond the dollars they spend. 40% of the population still support Trump. If you have 10 friends and ask them where they want to meet for dinner and 6 say let’s go to a Mexican restaurant and the other 4 say “let’s kill Bob and eat him”, you still need to be concerned about your friend group.

Most of his major policies have approval ratings above 50% https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/HHP... (page 23)

53% think he’s doing a better job than Biden (page 18)

His approval rating in his second term is tracking about the same or a bit higher than Obama’s at the same time: https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/trump-obama-...

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The people you're describing found it consistent with liberty to own other humans, so forgive me if I am skeptical. I understand your point, I just have a different theory of rights. Just because something is logically conistent doesn't mean I agree with the starting premises. Personally, are any of your beliefs or statements things that could ban you for entry into the US? Because I have quite a few things that I ha…

I’m not trying to persuade you about the premises, but only that—as a result of those premises—the slippery slope you fear is longer than you assume. For people who draw fundamental inside/outside distinctions, things that are intolerable for outsiders to say are tolerable for insiders to say. I view America as a hot cup of coffee, and the outside world as lukewarm day old coffee. I’m not worried about how hot or col…

I know you're not trying to convince me, and fortunately many of us see and have taken note of the ambient racism in your position. I understand your point because it is and has been broadcast to me everywhere I have lived in the US.

As a person looking for a cool drink of water, or who might be okay with drinking an iced coffee as the world burns, I am more concerned that the people I live around think that I should be prevented from drinking as I choose. And that's something that has happened here, often, historically, in other places, with many people.

So you can tell me that my concern isn't warranted; I get that all the time. It starts with "you're being hyperbolic" and ends with "well, we are glad they are gone because they weren't 'real people' anyhow."

The reality is that I'm not being hyperbolic in my concern.

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I’m not trying to persuade you about the premises, but only that—as a result of those premises—the slippery slope you fear is longer than you assume. For people who draw fundamental inside/outside distinctions, things that are intolerable for outsiders to say are tolerable for insiders to say. I view America as a hot cup of coffee, and the outside world as lukewarm day old coffee. I’m not worried about how hot or col…

I know you're not trying to convince me, and fortunately many of us see and have taken note of the ambient racism in your position. I understand your point because it is and has been broadcast to me everywhere I have lived in the US. As a person looking for a cool drink of water, or who might be okay with drinking an iced coffee as the world burns, I am more concerned that the people I live around think that I should…

> know you're not trying to convince me, and fortunately many of us see and have taken note of the ambient racism in your position.

Culture is not race. Children should be required to write that 100 times on a chalkboard. The third world is the way it is because of the culture of the people who built those societies. Nobody would be more thrilled than me if the only difference between Iowans and Bangladeshis was that we don’t need to spend money on sunscreen. (Except a little for my feet, which burn easily.) But that’s a fantasy world. It’s a fantasy that persists because most Americans have little personal contact with immigrants and can’t see how Bangladeshi mothers raise their children differently than Iowan mothers. Immigrants, meanwhile, actually have limited insight into the inner mechanics of Americans—they can see the results, the institutions, the rule of law, the order. But can’t see the inputs that lead to that. And obviously they have a vested interest in believing flattering falsehoods about what makes societies the way they are.

> I am more concerned that the people I live around think that I should be prevented from drinking as I choose.

You can drink as you choose. What I’m trying to avoid, because we’re all in this cup together, is drowning in the lukewarm coffee that my parents worked so hard to escape. We’re both trying to prevent the world from burning, we just disagree about where the fire is coming from.

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> Letting people come here and see that most Americans aren't monsters pays dividends beyond the dollars they spend. 40% of the population still support Trump. If you have 10 friends and ask them where they want to meet for dinner and 6 say let’s go to a Mexican restaurant and the other 4 say “let’s kill Bob and eat him”, you still need to be concerned about your friend group.

Most of his major policies have approval ratings above 50% https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/HHP... (page 23) 53% think he’s doing a better job than Biden (page 18) His approval rating in his second term is tracking about the same or a bit higher than Obama’s at the same time: https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/trump-obama-...

Are you looking at the article you linked to? The Harvard survey says:

- 39% say the country is on the right track

- 36% say the economy is good

- 53% say the economy is weak

- 33% say their personal outlook is improving.

In the survey the only one that reaches 50% are about “values”

A senile old man during better than another senile old man is not exactly a raving endorsement.

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Most of his major policies have approval ratings above 50% https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/HHP... (page 23) 53% think he’s doing a better job than Biden (page 18) His approval rating in his second term is tracking about the same or a bit higher than Obama’s at the same time: https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/trump-obama-...

Are you looking at the article you linked to? The Harvard survey says: - 39% say the country is on the right track - 36% say the economy is good - 53% say the economy is weak - 33% say their personal outlook is improving. In the survey the only one that reaches 50% are about “values” A senile old man during better than another senile old man is not exactly a raving endorsement.

Did you look at page 23, which I cited? “Use the National Guard and active-duty military to police American cities and stop crime and disorder” is at 51% and it goes up from there. “Using the U.S. military to target cartel drug smugglers in Latin America” is at 58%. “ Closing the border with added security and policies that discourage illegal crossings” is at 70%.

Yes, people are upset the economy. But I assume the people complaining about “fascism” on here are upset about Trump’s “values,” which, as you note is at 50%, not his failure to meet his stupid promise to turn back the last few years of inflation.

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Are you looking at the article you linked to? The Harvard survey says: - 39% say the country is on the right track - 36% say the economy is good - 53% say the economy is weak - 33% say their personal outlook is improving. In the survey the only one that reaches 50% are about “values” A senile old man during better than another senile old man is not exactly a raving endorsement.

Did you look at page 23, which I cited? “Use the National Guard and active-duty military to police American cities and stop crime and disorder” is at 51% and it goes up from there. “Using the U.S. military to target cartel drug smugglers in Latin America” is at 58%. “ Closing the border with added security and policies that discourage illegal crossings” is at 70%. Yes, people are upset the economy. But I assume the p…

Of course, because Trump is being very careful to target just enough cities with the national guard that didn’t vote for him and most of his voters in red states don’t travel especially to those cities.

What do you think the percentage of people would be in favor of using the national guard would be if they were deployed to rural America to stop the meth problem or they were deployed to Memphis, Houston, anywhere in Mississippi and Alabama?

Don’t you find it surprising that you don’t have the same type of ICE raids targeting the red border states but you have them targeting blue cities?

Why is Trump going to war with Venezuela instead of Mexico and Colombia where the drugs actually are? It’s all optics and meant not to upset his base.

Right now, for instance he is trying to pay off his “socialism bad” base of farmers - who he never targets with ICE raids - who are hurting because of his tarriffs.

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Did you look at page 23, which I cited? “Use the National Guard and active-duty military to police American cities and stop crime and disorder” is at 51% and it goes up from there. “Using the U.S. military to target cartel drug smugglers in Latin America” is at 58%. “ Closing the border with added security and policies that discourage illegal crossings” is at 70%. Yes, people are upset the economy. But I assume the p…

Of course, because Trump is being very careful to target just enough cities with the national guard that didn’t vote for him and most of his voters in red states don’t travel especially to those cities. What do you think the percentage of people would be in favor of using the national guard would be if they were deployed to rural America to stop the meth problem or they were deployed to Memphis, Houston, anywhere in…

he already deployed them in memphis. they are doing ICE raids in red states. they are doing them on farms, too.
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