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RAM is so expensive, Samsung won't even sell it to Samsung

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Post by nyeah »

bell-cot wrote: post #57
shevy-java wrote: post #16

AI companies must compensate us for this outrage. A few hours ago I looked at the RAM prices. I bought some DDR4, 32GB only, about a year or two ago. I kid you not - the local price here is now 2.5 times as it was back in 2023 or so, give or take. I want my money back, OpenAI!

The problem is further upstream. Capitalism is nice in theory, but... "The trouble with capitalism is capitalists; they're too damn greedy." - Herbert Hoover, U.S. President, 1929-1933 And the past half-century has seen both enormous reductions in the regulations enacted in Hoover's era (when out-of-control financial markets and capitalism resulted in the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression ), and the grow…

It'll be fine.

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Post by interloxia »

genewitch wrote: post #226
acters wrote: post #158

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I am still running an i5 4690k, really all I need is better GPU but those prices are criminal. I wish I got a 4090 when I had the chance rip

intel arc b580 (i think that's the latest one) isn't obnoxiously priced but you're going to have to face the fact that your PCIE is really very slow. But it should work. if you want to save even more money get the older Arc Battlemage GPUs. I used one it was comparable with an RTX 3060; i returned it because the machine i was running it in had a bug that was fixed 2 days before i returned it but i didn't know that. I…

Note that some tinkering may be required for modern cards on old systems.

- A UEFI DXE driver to enable Resizable BAR on systems which don't support it officially. This provides performance benefits and is even required for Intel Arc GPUs to function optimally.

List of working motherboards

https://github.com/xCuri0/ReBarUEFI/issues/11

Re: RAM is so expensive, Samsung won't even sell it to Samsung

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Post by the__alchemist »

vlovich123 wrote: post #283
the__alchemist wrote: post #271

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I haven't checkout out AMD's transparency layer and know nothing about it. I tried to get vkFFT working in addition to cuFFT for a specific computation, but can't get it working right; crickets on the GH issue I posted. I use Vulkan for graphics, but Vulkan compute is a mess. I'm not in a mindshare, and this isn't a political thing. I am just trying to get the job done, and have observed that no alternative has stepp…

I didn’t talk about Vulkan compute. > have observed that no alternative has stepped up to nvidia's CUDA from a usability perspective. I’m saying this is a mindshare thing if you haven’t evaluated ROCm / HIP. HIPify can convert CUDA source to HIP automatically and HIP is very similar syntax to CUDA.

TY; will check those out.

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Post by et-al »

khannn wrote: post #210
n8cpdx wrote: post #189

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Eggs have traditionally been an extremely cheap protein staple. A typical pattern might be to have two eggs for breakfast (a whopping 120 calories), boiled eggs for lunch/snack (another 60-120 calories), and of course baking, but I will pretend that people don’t bake. A more typical serving for an adult breakfast might be 3 eggs if not supplemented. For mom and dad and the little one, you’re now at 35 (2+2+1+2)x5 egg…

Parents in the US don't feed their kids eggs for breakfast, it's majority cereal or breakfast bars. Maybe some yogurt but that's almost always upper middle class or above. "If you’re a typical HN user in the US you might be out of touch with the reality that costs going up $10/week can be a real hardship when you’re raising a family on limited income.". Skill issue. Oatmeal is very cheap and filling. The aforemention…

Aside from yoghurt, you’ve only listed carbs. Sure oatmeal has protein (and fiber), but not as much as eggs.

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Post by jakogut »

vlovich123 wrote: post #241
the__alchemist wrote: post #151

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> What kinds of applications do you use that require CUDA? Molecular dynamics simulations, and related structural bio tasks.

Is the CUDA compat layer AMD has that transparently compiled existing CUDA just fine insufficient somehow or buggy somehow? Or are you just stuck in the mindshare game and haven’t reevaluate whether the AMD situation has changed this year?

There's also ZLUDA, which can run llama.cpp and some other CUDA workloads already without any modification, but it's still maturing.

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Post by jack_tripper »

jacquesm wrote: post #11
JKCalhoun wrote: post #3

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Regardless of whether it is Crypto/AI/etc., this would seem to be wake-up call #2. We're finding the strangle-points in our "economy"—will we do anything about it? A single fab in Phoenix would seem inadequate?

If 'the West' would be half as smart as they claim to be there would be many more fabs in friendly territory. Stick a couple in Australia and NZ too for good measure, it is just too critical of a resource now.

The west is only smart at financial engineering (printing money to inflate stocks and housing). Anything related to non-military manufacturing should be outsourced to the cheapest bidder to increase shareholder value.

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Post by jack_tripper »

jacquesm wrote: post #13
baiwl wrote: post #10

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What will we do with that fab in two years when nobody needs that excess RAM?

There has never been 'an excess of RAM', the market has always absorbed what was available.

Yeah right, tell that to Qimonda.

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Post by FireBeyond »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #243
The-Bus wrote: post #197

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If a business can't pay a living wage, it's not really a successful business. I, too, could become fabulously wealthy selling shoes if someone just have me shoes for $1 so I could resell them for $50.

> If a business can't pay a living wage, it's not really a successful business. Let's consider the implications of this. We take an existing successful business, change absolutely nothing about it, but separately and for unrelated reasons the local population increases and the government prohibits the construction of new housing. Now real estate is more scarce and the business has to pay higher rent, so they're makin…

There are certainly elements of this. And there are also elements like my city, where some of the more notable local business owners and developers are all _way too cozy_ with the City Council and Planning/Zoning Boards (like not just rubbing shoulders at community events, fundraisers, but in the "our families rent AirBnBs together and go on vacation together) which gives them greater influence.

All that being said, though, Robert Heinlein said once:

> There has grown up in the minds of certain groups in this country the notion that because a man or corporation has made a profit out of the public for a number of years, the government and the courts are charged with the duty of guaranteeing such profit in the future, even in the face of changing circumstances and contrary to the public interest. This strange doctrine is not supported by statute or common law. Neither individuals nor corporations have any right to come into court and ask that the clock of history be stopped, or turned back.

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