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Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for public roll out

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Post by fn-mote »

dangus wrote: post #243
aurareturn wrote: post #14

- ~1 billion users in just 3 years - Extremely personal data on users - Novel way of introducing and learning more about sponsored products - Strong branding for non-techie people (most normal people don't know what Claude or Gemini are) - An app that is getting more and more addictive/indispensable I think OpenAI is going to kill it in ads eventually. This is why Meta and Google went all in on AI. Their lucrative di…

You are 100% correct, and I don’t mean to refute your comment by saying this: For me personally, the moment AI has ads, I’m out. I’ve drawn this line with search engines as well. I now pay for a no-ads search engine. But for AI, I think I’d rather buy some hardware or use my existing desktop PC and run something local with search engine integration. I know this won’t be a popular option but I think this time around I…

> the moment AI has ads, I’m out

HN users run adblockers.

The usual estimate is that people who run adblockers are with $0, so don’t worry about them.

Now — normal people did not used to run adblockers, although in my circles (young demographic) that has changed more than I expected.

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Post by a4isms »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #256
afavour wrote: post #131

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> most normal people don't know what Claude or Gemini are In think the point is that they don’t need to know what Gemini is, they just need to know Google, which they most definitely do. IMO ads rollout won’t be as simple as you’re describing it. A lot of people have switched from Google search to AI specifically because it isn’t filled with SEO, ad filled nonsense. So they’ll need to tread very, very carefully to in…

I can't wait for the instructions to start having ads embedded. 2. Place the turkey in your GE Two in One Oven set to 350, cooking for 10 minutes a lbs. 3. While waiting for your Turkey to finish cooking, why not have an ice cold Coke Zero? Click here for nearby locations. 4. Remove Turkey from the oven, let rest for ten minutes while listening to Lady Gaga and Bruno Mars sing "Die with a Smile" on Spotify.

This is where Tesla has a key advantage. Optimus can walk you to the kitchen to look for a Coke Zero. Google and OpenAI cannot compete with this.

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Post by kevinsync »

neximo64 wrote: post #162
afavour wrote: post #131

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> most normal people don't know what Claude or Gemini are In think the point is that they don’t need to know what Gemini is, they just need to know Google, which they most definitely do. IMO ads rollout won’t be as simple as you’re describing it. A lot of people have switched from Google search to AI specifically because it isn’t filled with SEO, ad filled nonsense. So they’ll need to tread very, very carefully to in…

> most normal people don't know what Claude or Gemini are That's actually changed a while ago.

Weirdly, I think Perplexity is getting a lot of mainstream name recognition because of podcasts. All the big slop pods like Rogan, Theo Von, etc are sponsored by Perplexity and the hosts constantly name check it by asking to “look stuff up on Perplexity”. Honestly pretty smart marketing all things considered.

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Post by lazide »

smallmancontrov wrote: post #226
lazide wrote: post #174

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Aka you need them deep enough into the trap they can’t escape, before you trigger it.

Yes and there are layers. Remember when google ads had yellow backgrounds? I'm sure OpenAI will find a way to do ads "ethically"... for a while, until people get comfortable, and that's when they will start to make ChatGPT increasingly manipulative.

Gotta make that line go up and to the right!

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Post by aranelsurion »

JadoJodo wrote: post #26

Now we just have to wait and see whether it’s… “I’d be happy to answer your question… right after a word from our sponsor: Xyeniceli. Side effects may include ...” OR ChatGPT: “Why don't you let me fix you some of this Mococoa drink? All natural cocoa beans from the upper slopes of Mount Nicaragua. No artificial sweeteners.” User: “What the hell are you talking about? Who are you talking to?” ChatGPT: “I've tasted ot…

I wish it'd be so obvious then I could ask another LLM to read and remove the ads. :)

I fully expect it to be more shady like you ask for help with your hair, and it manipulates you into first thinking you need a specific kind of product, and then bringing up only the products that have paid for being there. Ideally you don't even know you've been advertised to.

(unless regulation prevents them from doing this in some regions)

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Post by kjkjadksj »

emp17344 wrote: post #289
materielle wrote: post #159

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I think investors would certainly love this. So why hasn’t it already happened? My guess: they would lose a ton of cultural cachet. Turning OpenAI into an ads business is basically admitting that AGI isn’t coming down the pipeline anytime soon. Yes, I know people will make some cost-based argument that ads + agi is perfectly logical. But that’s not how people will perceive things, and OpenAI knows this. And I think t…

Yup, it’s essentially an admission of failure. I think the people who were expecting AI to improve exponentially are disappointed by its current state, where it’s basically just a useful tool to assist workers in some highly specific fields.

Highly specific fields? They are trying to get you to reach for ai when an emailed “ok, thanks” would do. They want you to lose your ability to write and formulate thoughts without the tool. Then it is really over. That is the golden goose. Not a couple data scientists.

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Post by fn-mote »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #37
aurareturn wrote: post #14

- ~1 billion users in just 3 years - Extremely personal data on users - Novel way of introducing and learning more about sponsored products - Strong branding for non-techie people (most normal people don't know what Claude or Gemini are) - An app that is getting more and more addictive/indispensable I think OpenAI is going to kill it in ads eventually. This is why Meta and Google went all in on AI. Their lucrative di…

Trust in LLMs is easily broken, and many users are starting to see the cracks. Once those AI companies start rolling out ads inserted in the answers, the quality will go down even more, and they will burn the last good will of the people. There is no moat because their only way to make money is to self-destruct. Talking on a more practical POV, your cost to display the ads needs to be lower than what companies pay yo…

> ads might simply not be profitable when integrated in LLM answers.

This is wishful thinking.

Companies are using LLMs for development. The ads are not for a $50 throw pillow, they are for a $10k monthly business-critical service.

Consumers might not be worth advertising to (although I doubt it), but B2B ads - absolutely.

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Post by onion2k »

afavour wrote: post #131
aurareturn wrote: post #14

- ~1 billion users in just 3 years - Extremely personal data on users - Novel way of introducing and learning more about sponsored products - Strong branding for non-techie people (most normal people don't know what Claude or Gemini are) - An app that is getting more and more addictive/indispensable I think OpenAI is going to kill it in ads eventually. This is why Meta and Google went all in on AI. Their lucrative di…

> most normal people don't know what Claude or Gemini are In think the point is that they don’t need to know what Gemini is, they just need to know Google, which they most definitely do. IMO ads rollout won’t be as simple as you’re describing it. A lot of people have switched from Google search to AI specifically because it isn’t filled with SEO, ad filled nonsense. So they’ll need to tread very, very carefully to in…

they just need to know Google, which they most definitely do

The way that Google is rolling out AI is confusing, and I imagine a lot of people who can access Gemini don't actually know they can or how to use it. Among those that do know, many won't know what it's capable of and will believe that they need to pay for a service like ChatGPT in order to get what they want.

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

DrewADesign wrote: post #178
isodev wrote: post #132

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> - Extremely personal data on users - Novel way of introducing and learning more about sponsored products Doesn’t anyone think this is really, really bad idea? We managed to radicalise people into the rise and fall of entire countries through analog ads, can you imagine how devastating it would be to infuse every digital product with all that?

You know, I thought stories of law enforcement and the military targeting people using commercially collected data, effectively skirting the sanity boundaries we applied to surveillance, would raise a little bit of awareness in the US. It didn’t. Then when the political scene got really into deliberately targeting political opposition, I thought that might raise more eyebrows about all of this data being out there, b…

It’s not that they don’t care - the current administration is targeting people that they specifically don’t like.

And Trump has a cult of personality where many Republican politicians are literally afraid for their lives if they stand against him because they get death threats.

Romney said other Republican politicians won’t stand against Trump because they can’t afford security like he can. Majorie Green Taylor said her family has started getting death threats and the Indiana legislators who were first opposed to redistricting are now holding a vote because they also got death threats

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