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Post by rhines »

tim333 wrote: post #271
y-curious wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know anything about him, but if he is running a department at Meta, he as at the very least a political genius and a teenage data labeller

I was just watching the Y Combinator interview with Alexandr Wang who I guess may be being referred to https://youtu.be/5noIKN8t69U The teenage data labeler thing was a bit of an exaggeration. He did found scale.ai at nineteen which does data labeling amongst other things.

I watched this interview when I first heard about Alexandr Wang. I'd seen he was the youngest self made billionaire, which is a pretty impressive credential to have under your belt, and I wanted to see if I could get a read on what sets him apart.

Unfortunately he doesn't reveal any particular intelligence, insight, or drive in the interview, nor does he in other videos I found. Possibly he hides it, or possibly his genius is beyond me. Or possibly he had good timing on starting a data labelling company and then leveraged his connections in SV (including being roommates with Sam Altman) to massively inflate Scale AI's valuation and snag a Meta acquisition.

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Post by 0xWTF »

KaiserPro wrote: post #28

When I worked at a FAANG with a "world leading" AI lab (now run by a teenage data labeller) as an SRE/sysadmin I was asked to use a modified version of a foundation model which was steered towards infosec stuff. We were asked to try and persuade it to help us hack into a mock printer/dodgy linux box. It helped a little, but it wasn't all that helpful. but in terms of coordination, I can't see how it would be useful.…

> "world leading" AI lab (now run by a teenage data labeller)

Aarush Sah?

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Post by 0xWTF »

dboreham wrote: post #143
criemen wrote: post #120

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> Why would someone in China not select Claude? Because Anthropic doesn't provide services in China? See https://www.anthropic.com/supported-countries

Can confirm Claude doesn't even work in Hong Kong. That said I fired up my VPN and...then it did work.

Yeah, I love folks who worry about China having access to models and GPUs. I mean, friend, they have 1.3B people. They could put a crack AI team in every country in the world, tomorrow. But yes, instead, it's far cheaper to let each of those AI teams VPN to any country, all the time.

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Post by ChadNauseam »

SiempreViernes wrote: post #248
edanm wrote: post #242

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Right! It's well known that technical people never make mistakes.

I think the expectation is more that serious people have their work checked over by other serious people to catch the obvious mistakes.

Every time you have your work "checked over by other serious people", it eliminates 90% of the mistakes. So you have it checked over twice so that 99% of mistakes have been eliminated, and so on. But it never gets to 0% mistakes. That's my experience anyway.

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Post by antonvs »

KaiserPro wrote: post #244
antonvs wrote: post #238

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> They hired a teenager to run one of their departments Except they didn’t. The person in question was 28 when they hired him. He was a teenager when he cofounded the company that was acquired for thirty billion dollars. But the taste of those really sour grapes must be hard to deal with.

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> Comic hyperbole darling.

Even if you say so yourself.

> I know that's hard to understand, especially when you're one of the start up elect, who still believes.

There's a lot of projection going on in that sentence.

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Post by antonvs »

gpi wrote: post #284
antonvs wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably this is all referring to Alexander Wang, who's 28 now. The data-labeling company he co-founded, Scale AI, was acquired by Meta at a valuation of nearly $30 billion. But I suppose the criticism is that he doesn't have deep AI model research credentials. Which raises the age-old question of how much technical expertise is really needed in executive management.

Alexandr

Thanks

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Post by ChadNauseam »

skybrian wrote: post #205
jmkni wrote: post #58

That whole article felt like "Claude is so good Chinese hackers are using it for espionage" marketing fluff tbh

If we’re sharing vibes, “our product is dangerous” seems like an unusual sales tactic outside the defense industry. I’m doubtful that’s how it works? Meanwhile, another reason to make a press release is that you’ll be criticized for the coverup if you don’t. Also, it puts other companies on notice that maybe they should look for this?

Yeah. You'd think nuclear power would be incredibly popular, given that "our product is dangerous" is a apparently genius marketing strategy. After all, if it can make a whole region of ukraine uninhabitable and be weaponized to turn people into shadows on pavement, it can surely power your fridge. Yet oddly companies making nuclear reactors always market them as being very safe instead of leaning into the danger.
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