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Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

i will never tire of the irony of a man who owned humans being lauded as a freedom fighter.

Benjamin Franklin became an abolitionist.[1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin#Slavery

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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In my country you'd have to get a warrant. You'll get pretty much carte blanche for an Amber Alert but the judge isn't going to let you hunt down brown people. But I guess if you elect judges pretty much all bets are off, no? Just find yourself a card carrying MAGA judge willing to sign off.

Some states elect state judges. Some states appoint state judges. Federal judges are appointed. Appointed judges in the US and other countries show the same problems as elected judges.

The appointed federal judges in the US are nominated by a political President, and confirmed by a simple majority in a two-party-system Senate, and serve for life. They have (unsurprisingly) become quite political, with either party appointing judges who'd be likely to judge in their favour.

This is not at all comparable to appointed judges in other countries, where politicians usually don't have any input on the appointment process. Usually they are chosen by the current judges at that level, or by an entity like a bar association.

After all, how can you have a Trias Politica if the three branches aren't independent?

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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I'm in the PNW and they put Flock cameras up in my area recently. Nobody likes them (libs or cons), and we've seen some rather creative approaches to uh...disabling them. One person took a pipe cutter to the mount and spirited the whole unit away, another apparently fired a shotgun slug through it, somebody else looks like they used it to relieve their anger problems with a metal pipe. Flock cameras, America's bipart…

And yet they drive away in their GM/Ford/Nissan/Tesla/Any car/truck with its connected media unit and telemetry gathering infotainment systems and think “This is fine”.

Everyone was fine with Flock as well until arrests started.

Once there will be a few high-profile cases around telemetry data being used, there will be much more outcry there.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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And yet they drive away in their GM/Ford/Nissan/Tesla/Any car/truck with its connected media unit and telemetry gathering infotainment systems and think “This is fine”.

Well Tesla cameras don't qualify as public record "On Thursday, a Skagit County Superior Court judge ruled that pictures taken by Flock cameras in the cities of Sedro-Woolley and Stanwood qualify as public records, and therefore must be released as required by the state’s Public Records Act, court records show." I do think that's an important distinction though; if I have a camera and record a public space, that's no…

No need to imagine. There are several cases already of these buffoons in law enforcement doing scary things. The Institute for Justice (IJ) is one of the organizations taking these cases on and who also has suggestions for how to go about combating this stuff. I’m sure most here are also familiar with Louis Rossmann; he’s also been beating the drum on this stuff locally and in Colorado.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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So I definitely agree it's a positive development that these cameras are being taken down because they're absolutely orwellian, but I really don't understand why "the line" is being drawn at immigration enforcement? Were people really okay with this until the point where they found out that illegal immigrants can be tracked by the surveillance state too?

People were okay with it when they assumed, I think naively, that only guilty people had anything to hide. Now that we've got someone willing to throw all rules and morals to the wayside in charge, they've understandably begun to reassess.

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Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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If your neighbors were across the street and had their blinds open could you point your camera at their window and take pictures? License plates were designed to be read and visible and they show that the vehicle is registered, but what about inside the vehicle? Do we have privacy in there? What exactly does 'in public' mean? And why shouldn't someone have privacy from being recorded and their movements tracked even…

Might make sense to revisit the constitutionality of license plates, rather than try to attack public recording. They're demanding you show your "papers" registration at all times without articulable suspicion you've committed a crime/infraction. The fourth amendment arguably protects us from the government requiring us to show us our papers at all times when we're travelling in the most common form of conveyance.

Abolishing license plates could be a solution if complicating identifying cars is what you want. It would do nothing about face recognition.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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post #292

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Some states elect state judges. Some states appoint state judges. Federal judges are appointed. Appointed judges in the US and other countries show the same problems as elected judges.

The appointed federal judges in the US are nominated by a political President, and confirmed by a simple majority in a two-party-system Senate, and serve for life. They have (unsurprisingly) become quite political, with either party appointing judges who'd be likely to judge in their favour. This is not at all comparable to appointed judges in other countries, where politicians usually don't have any input on the app…

> Usually they are chosen by the current judges at that level, or by an entity like a bar association.

So the judiciary is completely isolated from external accountability?

I do not see how this is a superior approach.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Is there a way to see where they are located? Or which cities are installing them? Hadn’t heard of them til this week

You can find them listed here. https://deflock.me/map#map=5/39.828300/-98.579500

Which is better than Flock's "Transparency" Report. I live in WA, ex-Flock employee, and in my County, half of the agencies with Flock agreements are not on their Transparency portal.

And at the very least - why can't you search the Transparency Portal? You have to try each and every agency name. Let's try https://transparency.flocksafety.com/ ...

NoSuchKey The specified key does not exist. index.html [redacted] [redacted]

Has been like that for a year plus, at least.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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If the light never turned green you'd bet your butt that plenty of people would run the light.

Sure, then don't complain if you get into a crash and your insurance finds you at fault. Actions have consequences.

So, if a traffic light never changed from red to green, you would advise..? Or do you just mean “in that situation, be very careful not to crash”?

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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I'm in the PNW and they put Flock cameras up in my area recently. Nobody likes them (libs or cons), and we've seen some rather creative approaches to uh...disabling them. One person took a pipe cutter to the mount and spirited the whole unit away, another apparently fired a shotgun slug through it, somebody else looks like they used it to relieve their anger problems with a metal pipe. Flock cameras, America's bipart…

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