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Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by methuselah_in »

zmmmmm wrote: post #227

I know this is a tangent but honestly, this is why the Google decision to de-openify Android is insane even from Google's point of view. Who would want to be an iron clad gate keeper when the world is descending into authoritarianism? You just paint a giant target on your back for the authoritarians to come after. If Apple had supported open iCloud alternatives for backup and other services from day one, it woudn't e…

simply i will be starting using Linux distributions on the devices which support them. Usually the gsm wcda etc are too much buried in patents and mostly closed source, but eventually how android bloomed initially as it was open source. I believe one day Linux will be there and again google and apple can have something to worry about and they will again open. One major thing is why google allowing people to use Linux apps on their android 16-17 by default i guess is because of this.

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Post by dontlaugh »

sargun wrote: post #193
ebbi wrote: post #157

Taking inspiration from the East India Company, Apple should colonize the UK and take over the government - the iGovernment, if you will. Citizens will regain their right to e2ee privacy, they will not have to deal with voting for mediocre politicians to lead them. Instead, Tim Cook will be their new leader, and every morning over the mandatory installation of HomePods in each home, citizens will be greeted with an e…

I have wondered why the likes of McKinsey, KPMG, and PWC do not put up candidates (don't even sponsor them, just say you're electing _well known consultancy_).

They all absolutely do. All capitalist parties are heavily funded by industry of some sort.

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Post by Atlas667 »

Wolfenstein98k wrote: post #287
Atlas667 wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They ARE the authoritarian regime. This myth that capitalist perpetuate that the rich are not the government is the best lie out there. The rich are the government. They are the national interests, countries' industries' is their property.

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Maybe I'm too sleepy for rhetoric.

But a country needs material resources to exist, right? Some of these are food, shelter, energy, health, entertainment and security.

These are all private enterprises in a capitalist state. For example, the energy sector is a group of capitalist enterprises. The energy sector is also at the same time something the population needs.

Therefore it is also crucial to the nation, its a national security.

They country would go to war in order to secure resources for the energy industry because it is a part of national security.

Another: walmart is americas veins and its a group of peoples property. Walmart is national security.

The fact that some of these are publicly traded does not change their relationship to ownership.

Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by dontlaugh »

cmsj wrote: post #85
advisedwang wrote: post #32

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The actual straightforward fix isn't available to us - namely, we aren't due a general election until 2029 and right now the "good guys" are in power, so it's not at all clear that anyone would even offer to reverse this TCN if they were elected instead, in 4 years time.

If there was a general election today, who exactly could we vote for?

Trade union organising with the threat of nationwide industrial action would work regardless of which flavour of Tory is in power, though.

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Post by 1over137 »

ungreased0675 wrote: post #224
thewebguyd wrote: post #138

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> but it's just so easy to fall into nationalistic prattle instead of fixing the real problem. Right. This, right now, is 100% a UK problem. De-Americanising your tech stack isn't going to fix the political issues domestically. Hence Apple pulling ADP out, they made the choice of not complying with the UK and not offering the service instead of compromising the service for everyone else in the world. UK citizens need…

Last time I was in the UK, the news (BBC) was bizarrely 90% American politics. Trump this, Trump did that, etc. People there knew American politicians better than the people who actually represent them.

Why “bizarrely”? The US has enormous influence on many countries, Trump’s actions are newsworthy in many places.

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Post by beeflet »

VerifiedReports wrote: post #283
zmmmmm wrote: post #227

I know this is a tangent but honestly, this is why the Google decision to de-openify Android is insane even from Google's point of view. Who would want to be an iron clad gate keeper when the world is descending into authoritarianism? You just paint a giant target on your back for the authoritarians to come after. If Apple had supported open iCloud alternatives for backup and other services from day one, it woudn't e…

Android has been a fraud for a long time now. Let's not pretend that the "open-source" mobile OS that was supposed to free us all from vendor and telco tyranny ever approached that promise. Did they even really try? As far as iCloud "alternatives" go... Android doesn't offer ANY legitimate syncing infrastructure to compete with iCloud, open or not.

You can install syncthing-fork or nextcloud

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

encom wrote: post #107
graemep wrote: post #86

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Might come across as pedantic, but its important, "the UK" not "England". Confusing the two can upset people, especially those from the rest of the UK. Personally I do not think its just the UK and Denmark, its pretty much everywhere.

I specified England because I don't know what's going on in the rest of the Kingdom. Might be just as bad, I dunno.

>I dunno

That came across in your first comment.

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Post by vasco »

Wolfenstein98k wrote: post #287
Atlas667 wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They ARE the authoritarian regime. This myth that capitalist perpetuate that the rich are not the government is the best lie out there. The rich are the government. They are the national interests, countries' industries' is their property.

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So in your mind megacorps and their owner billionnaires have how much of a say in government? If you had to rate their influence in government policy from zero to a hundred what would that be?

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Post by jackjeff »

dpoloncsak wrote: post #135
thw_9a83c wrote: post #29

From the article: > Otherwise, please make sure you de-Apple, de-Google, and de-American Stack yourself when you have time, clarity, and focus to do it. Start today. I don't understand the core of this advice. So if you're in the UK and do all the above, can you suddenly get similar E2EE cloud storage from a different provider without a UK government-mandated backdoor?

I'm sort of out of the loop as a US citizen....Does the UK really have the ability to enforce every E2EE storage solution on GitHub to comply? Even if you monitor downloads, every VPN, every ISP..... can't I copy paste the source code? Isn't SFTP already E2EE? They're not going to come down on SFTP....right? I really hope not...

The UK (same as the US) has lots of extra territorial laws. Enforcing them is another matter.

It’s easy to make Apple budge because they have money ties to the Uk.

This works less well for unsavory websites not complying with UK law. See https://prestonbyrne.com/2025/10/16/the-ofcom-files/

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