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US air traffic controllers start resigning as shutdown bites

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Re: US air traffic controllers start resigning as shutdown bites

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Post by tzs »

RickJWagner wrote: post #210
thrance wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Democrats refuse to vote the budget because the GOP removed almost all healthcare funding from it and won't compromise on that. If this budget passes as is, millions will die of preventable diseases. How is it on democrats?

Isn’t it true that the healthcare part only involves credits that were supposed to be temporary during COVID? Also, isn’t it true that the expiring credits are for people who earn more money than ACA allowed? ( In other words, the poor still get assistance.) Please provide receipts if there are other aspects to be considered.

> Isn’t it true that the healthcare part only involves credits that were supposed to be temporary during COVID?

So? There's no rule that temporary things can't later become permanent.

For example the Trump tax cuts from 2017 were supposed to temporary, expiring this year. The "Big Beautiful Bill" made them permanent.

Also the healthcare part is not just letting temporary COVID era credits expire. It also includes cuts to Medicaid.

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Post by throw0101a »

themafia wrote: post #289
throw0101a wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What if you collect too much? You lower fees the next year.

Then if you collect too little? Where does the excess come from? Do you keep the fees high and pay that back next year? Do you account for inflation or charge points? Is there some reason you _don't_ want this system to have slightly more funding than it "needs?"

Nav Canada, the non-profit which runs Canada's ATC, charges user fees which they adjust every so often, but they also have buffer/contingency funds.

Quarterly/annual financial reports are available at their site:

* https://www.navcanada.ca/en/corporate/investor-relations/fin...

* https://www.navcanada.ca/en/corporate/service-charges.aspx

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Post by AgentK20 »

And here we see a system that was already stretched to the breaking point BEFORE the shutdown, put under an incredible strain and failing. A more robust system can handle sudden shocks, but when you’ve spent years whittling away at it there’s no slack.

Re: US air traffic controllers start resigning as shutdown bites

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Post by xg15 »

I get that the Trump admin doesn't care a bit about the impact of the shutdown on the general population (they're fighting in court for NOT having to release the emergency funding that would instantly reinstate SNAP) and probably even welcome it as an opportunity for "government downsizing" - but things like air traffic becoming restricted would start to touch even the areas that the ultra-rich are interested in, would it?

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Post by gafferongames »

xg15 wrote: post #294

I get that the Trump admin doesn't care a bit about the impact of the shutdown on the general population (they're fighting in court for NOT having to release the emergency funding that would instantly reinstate SNAP) and probably even welcome it as an opportunity for "government downsizing" - but things like air traffic becoming restricted would start to touch even the areas that the ultra-rich are interested in, wou…

Not if they have private planes, unfortunately.

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Post by samrus »

So the deadlock is over ACA premium tax credits. A subsidy towards premiums, inversely proportional to income.

Republicans have to budge on this right? Health insurance is already dire in this country, you cant fuck it up even more. The working class is the biggest part of the citizenry, and we are in an affordability crisis

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Post by jmclnx »

If this keeps going, lots of knowledge will be lost. But at least by retiring they will start getting paid (I think) via 401k, Social Security or pensions.

In a way we have an idea what to expect. When Reagan fired the controllers in 1981/2, AFAIK there were no major incidents with air travel. But I think Military Controllers were brought in to cover the holes the firing left.

This time, I thought I saw Military Controllers are unable to cover or were told not to cover. so I guess we will see how this plays out with a set of crazy people in charge of the US.

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Post by samrus »

gafferongames wrote: post #295
xg15 wrote: post #294

I get that the Trump admin doesn't care a bit about the impact of the shutdown on the general population (they're fighting in court for NOT having to release the emergency funding that would instantly reinstate SNAP) and probably even welcome it as an opportunity for "government downsizing" - but things like air traffic becoming restricted would start to touch even the areas that the ultra-rich are interested in, wou…

Not if they have private planes, unfortunately.

Private planes dont need air traffic controllers?

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Post by tombert »

gafferongames wrote: post #295
xg15 wrote: post #294

I get that the Trump admin doesn't care a bit about the impact of the shutdown on the general population (they're fighting in court for NOT having to release the emergency funding that would instantly reinstate SNAP) and probably even welcome it as an opportunity for "government downsizing" - but things like air traffic becoming restricted would start to touch even the areas that the ultra-rich are interested in, wou…

Not if they have private planes, unfortunately.

Wouldn't private planes still necessitate air traffic controllers? I remember when I flew with my uncle in his small private plane [1] he had to fairly frequently chatter with the air traffic people over the radio to report his position and altitude and the like.

[1] Just a tiny two seat thing, I don't come from billionaires, it wasn't a cool private jet.

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Post by dathinab »

xg15 wrote: post #294

I get that the Trump admin doesn't care a bit about the impact of the shutdown on the general population (they're fighting in court for NOT having to release the emergency funding that would instantly reinstate SNAP) and probably even welcome it as an opportunity for "government downsizing" - but things like air traffic becoming restricted would start to touch even the areas that the ultra-rich are interested in, wou…

yes but Musk has claimed he could trivially re-implement the system with more or less only using AI

putting aside weather that is true or not and just assume it to be true for the later argument

then it is the perfect chance to replace a public service the country depends on by a billionaire controlled private company

thats how you convert a country to an oligarchy, bit by bit replacing essential parts with entities privately owned and (most importantly) controlled by a few people so that a country "has to" depend on them to function and they can use it as leverage to force through their interests

to be fair, this might not be the intend here. A lot of the shutdown seem more blind ideological driven then well calculated, but it's a potential danger anyway

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