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Re: Australia has so much solar that it's offering everyone free electricity

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Post by maxglute »

breve wrote: post #281
maxglute wrote: post #261

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It's 2025. US/Pompeo's fake genocide propaganda campaign failed. There's no need to genocide wash because you know, there was never genocide to begin with. Even astroturfed wikipedia had to concede "Genocide of Uyghurs" down to "Persecution". Nvm plurarity of UN opinion labels PRC actions as counter terrorism / anti extremism programs. If HN is required to align with US foreign policy positions / be US gov mouthpiece…

Sure. Everything in Xinjiang is doubleplusgood: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53220713 https://xjdp.aspi.org.au/explainers/sterilizations-and-manda... https://www.vox.com/2020/7/28/21333345/uighurs-china-internm... https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/22311356/china-uyghur-bir... https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-08-23/china-uyghur-policies... https://www.rferl.org/a/china-uyghur-uzbek-xinjiang-muslim/3...

Spamming retarded propaganda doesn't make it not retarded propaganda. You didn't even post the og retarded source of coerced labour claims i.e. our innumerate boi AdrienZ at Jamestown, even he had the sense to realize the most disinformation label he can misattribute is coerced labour because all the data he tries to misinterpret still shows labour transfer wages significantly higher than regional average. But tldr yes solving terrorism and reducing poverty to integrate restive minority without doing a Gaza is tripleplusgood. All while proliferating cheap renewables for developing countries and climates and we have to start using exponents good. Double plus undersells the spectacular scope and scale of PRC de radicalism campaign, literally the least bloodshed melting pot integration speedrun in recorded history. Nobel prize worthy vs Obama by none libtard metrics. 20% hyperbole.

Re: Australia has so much solar that it's offering everyone free electricity

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Post by testing22321 »

wewewedxfgdf wrote: post #285
testing22321 wrote: post #190

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Did you read the article? It clearly said the free electricity will be for renters too.

You are not allowed to say that on this site! PLEASE respect the rules As I said........ In Australia - solar power overwhelmingly benefits the rich over renters. A few hours a day of free electricity for all does not wipe that out. Solar power is a rich persons thing in Australia, remains very very strongly true.

The article isn’t even really about solar.

But in any case, let’s say I agree with you. A ton of rich people have solar and are getting really cheap power. Cool.

Now EVERYONE is going to get free power for a few hours a day, and the “poor” didn’t have to spend a cent to get it. Sounds like a benefit for everyone to me, regardless of how rich they are.

How is it not?

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Post by [deleted] »

wussboy wrote: post #146
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #90

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There is one project for an undersea cable to Singapore. As solar efficiency goes up, and prices of solar and batteries come down and make local installation easier, an already audacious project seems less and less likely to complete. I think they're pivoting the giant solar farms they were building for this to AI or green hydrogen now.

It's almost like that idea where the first people to leave in generational star ships will arrive at their new home to find the people who left in the third or forth generation ships already there for some time, technology having advanced so much in that time. By the time they get the cable to Singapore, it will just be cheaper to generate it in Singapore.

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Re: Australia has so much solar that it's offering everyone free electricity

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Post by breve »

maxglute wrote: post #291
breve wrote: post #281

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Sure. Everything in Xinjiang is doubleplusgood: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53220713 https://xjdp.aspi.org.au/explainers/sterilizations-and-manda... https://www.vox.com/2020/7/28/21333345/uighurs-china-internm... https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/22311356/china-uyghur-bir... https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-08-23/china-uyghur-policies... https://www.rferl.org/a/china-uyghur-uzbek-xinjiang-muslim/3...

Spamming retarded propaganda doesn't make it not retarded propaganda. You didn't even post the og retarded source of coerced labour claims i.e. our innumerate boi AdrienZ at Jamestown, even he had the sense to realize the most disinformation label he can misattribute is coerced labour because all the data he tries to misinterpret still shows labour transfer wages significantly higher than regional average. But tldr y…

Sure. Ignorance is strength.

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Post by jjcm »

fekunde wrote: post #217
jjcm wrote: post #128

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I took a job with Atlassian out there and got my citizenship. Best 5 years of my life. I'm back in the US now temporarily, but there's zero doubt in my mind I will end up back in Aus. I've lived in 8 cities now(1), and Sydney was the highest quality of life I've had out of any of them. Great infrastructure, great work-life balance, great culture, and fantastic weather. Only downsides are the distance and the lack of…

Curious how you'd rank the 8 cities

Ooo that's a fun one. Sydney is an easy "all around" winner, but it really depends what stage of life you're in and how important career is. If you're career-oriented, then the list is:

Seattle > San Francisco > San Diego > Sydney > San Jose > LA > Honolulu > Portland

For your average person though who's prioritizing overall quality of life, the list would be:

Sydney > San Diego > Portland > Honolulu > Seattle > San Francisco > San Jose > LA

Each city has something distinct to offer, but I will say that LA was among my least favorite cities to live in. It's just a worse version of San Diego.

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Post by jjcm »

obroc wrote: post #209
jjcm wrote: post #128

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I took a job with Atlassian out there and got my citizenship. Best 5 years of my life. I'm back in the US now temporarily, but there's zero doubt in my mind I will end up back in Aus. I've lived in 8 cities now(1), and Sydney was the highest quality of life I've had out of any of them. Great infrastructure, great work-life balance, great culture, and fantastic weather. Only downsides are the distance and the lack of…

I’ll add Texas, UK, and the Netherlands to that list as places I’ve lived that Sydney far surpasses. But I’ll add to the downside that housing prices are actually laughable here. How anyone affords to buy a house here is beyond me.

100% true regarding the housing costs, but renting is actually fairly affordable in Sydney. I had a penthouse on the beach for $3900 USD/mo. Here's the view from it: https://www.reddit.com/r/battlestations/comments/f6llsc/im_n...

Despite the buying costs of Sydney being equivalent to something like SF, 4k/mo goes much further in Sydney for renting.

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Post by Steve10538 »

dylan604 wrote: post #150
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I still wonder the same about the EU and LED lighting. Prohibiting traditional bulbs was highly controversial at the time

if we didn't transition through the horrible days of CFLs first. since we did, that's a big knock against

Don't knock CFLs. We still have the very first 2 we brought back in 1985, 13W Philips Prismatics. Been in continuous use, both outdoors under a portico. Still going strong.

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Post by nandomrumber »

shushpanchik wrote: post #267
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At what cost, and to who? So you can have three hours of free electricity, while you’re at work, the kids are at school, you’re renting so no battery for you, electricity has already increased 100% and continues to increase, but only once a year , and now you’re being offered something your 10 year old second hand appliances and petrol cars can’t take advantage of. Forget trickle down economics, it’s deluge-up. From…

I'm from Australia and my electricity provider has 12pm-2pm free electricity. As other's said, dishwasher and washing machine has delayed/smart start options, so that is free for me. That saves at least 3kWh per day for me, so ~$30 per month. So it really helps with CoL crisis. And yes, those appliances are (almost) 10 years old.

Yeah, it’s not like it makes no difference.

Ya just have to remember that it’s table scraps compared to the 100% plus increases in electricity prices we’ve already been subject to.

And this is in a country that has the same volumetric gas exports as Qatar, which provides it citizens free healthcare, free education including university and vocational training, and electricity at 3.2 US cents per kWh.

What do we get? None of that. We get citizens living in tents. In a resource rich country.

And you people think our governments are capable of making wise decisions about long term energy policy. Check your ideologies.

When was governments picking winners ever a good idea?

When has that ever worked out well.

When was other people choosing what to do with other people’s money an ideal we should vote for more of?

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Post by nandomrumber »

quantor_ wrote: post #273
shushpanchik wrote: post #267

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I'm from Australia and my electricity provider has 12pm-2pm free electricity. As other's said, dishwasher and washing machine has delayed/smart start options, so that is free for me. That saves at least 3kWh per day for me, so ~$30 per month. So it really helps with CoL crisis. And yes, those appliances are (almost) 10 years old.

I'm from Sweden and hearing those energy prices really caught me off guard. With taxes and fees we pay ~€0.1 per kWh on average. I have stopped caring about when house hold appliances run, our main energy consumers are heating (during the cold months) and charging the electric car.

€0.1 is about AU$0.18

That’s about what our electricity used to cost.

Back before we locked ourselves in to wind and solar, and gas peaker plants, and a massive pumped hydro project that will approximate never be finished.

Sweden’s energy mix is predominantly nuclear, oil, and hydro. Wind and solar account for 10% and 1% respective.

There’s no escaping the fact everything wind and solar go electricity prices go up. Drastically.

In Australia, since 2005 wind and solar have increased to about 11% and 17% of electricity generation respectively.

And that time period correlates perfectly with the just over 100-200% increase in electricity prices, depending on where you live.

In 2005 I was paying AU$0.17 per kWh in South Australia, now that’s up around AU$0.44 per kWh. Elon even put in a big battery in South Australia. Hadn’t helped. Hasn’t helped reduce the cost of electricity. And that’s what the Australian government wants us to hail a success.

That’s 250% increase. While general inflation in the same period has been 67%.

Wind and solar haven’t even really started to put a dent in Australia’s over all energy use, which is dominated by gas and oil, and people are falling over each other to get in line to vote for more of it.

Other locations with big batteries and big electricity prices include Victoria Australia, Melbourne the capital is widely considered the California of Australia, and California itself. Big batteries, big solar, big electricity prices. Fact. Find me a counter example.

Germans are hanging solar panels off their apartment balconies. Not because they want to. Out of desperation. Just like poverty Africa. That’s equality: everyone can have nothing, and they’ll like it. My god.

No one is running an industrial economy on their balcony.

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Post by nandomrumber »

shushpanchik wrote: post #266
nandomrumber wrote: post #242

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> This is a generational success story So long as you ignore the working-poor. Those who live pay check to pay check, can’t afford solar / battery - or are renting so none of that applies to them. Yeah, they can just get fucked . What a success!

That's a weird uninformed take. Both solar and battery are heavily subsidised in Australia if your household income is less than $180k AUD. Average solar 6kW installation with subsidies is ~3k AUD, 30-40kWh chineses batteries are 4-6k AUD after subsidy. Median full-time salary in AU is ~90k AUD, and we have pretty good minimal wages, so solar panels are affordable to almost every working homeowner.

Every working home owner.

Young people don’t own their own homes, the banks do.

And many young home owners are now suffering mortgage stress, same with renters. That is, 1/3 or more of their income goes to repayments / rent. Double income households, at your AU$90k are paying $760 a week in rent or mortgage repayments.

I recently worked a minimum wage job, and you are guzzling the koolaid something chronic if you think $24.95 is workable with a mortgage, the one necessary car, and all the associated taxes and insurances. Fuck me.

I worked out I’d be only $50 worse off week on the disability pension.

Admittedly I’ve made some stupid decisions in my adult life, but, unsurprisingly, we can’t all be far out on the righthand side of the bell curve. I’m just a dumb blue collar worker.

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