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Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by hadlock »

preya2k wrote: post #260
mynameisvlad wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no way it’s going to be completely rewritten from scratch in Go, and none of whatever Germany is or isn’t doing affects that in any way shape or form.

Actually, it's already been done by the former Nextcloud fork/predecessor. OwnCloud shared a big percentage of the Nextcloud codebase, but they decided to rewrite everything under the name OCIS (OwnCloud Infinite Scale) a couple of years ago. Recently, OwnCloud got acquired by Kiteworks and it seemed like they got in a fight with most of the staff. So big parts of the team left to start "OpenCloud", which is a fork o…

Thanks for sharing this, I've been wanting to look at private cloud stuff but it was all written in PHP. It looks like OpenCloud is majority Go with some php and gherkin, which is a step in the right direction.

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by jadbox »

riskable wrote: post #104
PaulKeeble wrote: post #53

I don't doubt that large amounts of javascript can often cause issues but even when cached NextCloud feels sluggish. When I look at just the network tab of a refresh of the calendar page it does 124 network calls, 31 of which aren't cached. it seems to be making a call per calendar each of which is over 30ms. So that stacks up the more calendars you have(and you have a number by default like contact birthdays). The J…

I was going to say... The size of the JS only matters the first time you download it unless there's a lot of tiny files instead of a bundle or two. What the article is complaining about doesn't seem like it's root cause of the slowness. When it comes to JS optimization in the browser there's usually a few great big smoking guns: 1. Tons of tiny files: Bundle them! Big bundle > zillions of lazy-loaded files. 2. Lots o…

How do you feel about SSE then?

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by sha16 »

It's also slow for bulk operations like "mv somefolder/ ..." - it processes each file one at a time rather than a batch operation (I tried it out recently and this was one thing that stuck out).

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by tfvlrue »

zeppelin101 wrote: post #101

The major shortcoming of NextCloud, in my opinion, is that that it's not able to do sync over LAN. Imagine wanting to synchronize 1TB+ of data and not being able to do so over a 1 Gbps+ local connection, when another local device has all the necessary data. There is some workaround involving "split DNS", but I haven't gotten around to it. Other than that, I thought NC was absolutely fantastic.

> it's not able to do sync over LAN

I'm curious what you mean by this. I've never had trouble syncing files with the Nextcloud client, inside or outside of my LAN. I didn't do anything special to make it work internally. It's definitely not the fastest thing ever, but it works pretty seamlessly in my experience.

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by brendoelfrendo »

preya2k wrote: post #260
mynameisvlad wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no way it’s going to be completely rewritten from scratch in Go, and none of whatever Germany is or isn’t doing affects that in any way shape or form.

Actually, it's already been done by the former Nextcloud fork/predecessor. OwnCloud shared a big percentage of the Nextcloud codebase, but they decided to rewrite everything under the name OCIS (OwnCloud Infinite Scale) a couple of years ago. Recently, OwnCloud got acquired by Kiteworks and it seemed like they got in a fight with most of the staff. So big parts of the team left to start "OpenCloud", which is a fork o…

I have OpenCloud working on my home server, and it features integration with the Collabora suite of software for office apps. Draw.io is also already supported.

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by Vaslo »

My Nextcloud constantly needs updated. One day I started getting some odd random error about the database. The advice I got was do all this convoluted stuff to maybe get it working again. I uninstalled, and haven’t gone back. It’s just not in the same league as paid alternatives.

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by mynameisvlad »

preya2k wrote: post #260
mynameisvlad wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no way it’s going to be completely rewritten from scratch in Go, and none of whatever Germany is or isn’t doing affects that in any way shape or form.

Actually, it's already been done by the former Nextcloud fork/predecessor. OwnCloud shared a big percentage of the Nextcloud codebase, but they decided to rewrite everything under the name OCIS (OwnCloud Infinite Scale) a couple of years ago. Recently, OwnCloud got acquired by Kiteworks and it seemed like they got in a fight with most of the staff. So big parts of the team left to start "OpenCloud", which is a fork o…

OCIS does only a small part of why people deploy NextCloud. I have run it, it’s great, but it’s not a replacement for the full suite nor is it trying to be.

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by branon »

dade_ wrote: post #30
palata wrote: post #27

I would love to like Nextcloud, it's pretty great that it does exist. Just that makes it better than... well everything else I haven't found. What frustrates me is that it looks like it works, but once in a while it breaks in a way that is pretty much irreparable (or at least not in a practical way). I want to run an iOS/Android app that backs up images on my server. I tried the iOS app and when it works, it's cool.…

The next cloud android app is particularly bad if you use it to back up your cameras DCIM directory then you delete the photos on your phone. It overwrite the files on Nextcloud as new photos are taken. I get why this happened but it is terrible.

Will this also happen if you let the Nextcloud app rename the files as it uploads them? I usually take that option and haven't had an issue with this although I don't have it set to delete from my phone after uploading.

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by FrostKiwi »

Running NixOS based Nextcloud for everything. Multiple family members getting their including me getting their Photos and Videos auto-uploaded and handled by NextCloud's Memories [1].

Awesome experience, but you really have to stick to the happy path. Even with a super powerful CPU, Videoplayback was unusable, until a dedicated AMD GPU handled the transcodes. Even though it's Fiber To the home, sometimes Upload speeds collapse for no apparent reason and it's unusable.

All in all impressive such a massive FOSS project runs at all.

[1] https://memories.gallery/

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by bastawhiz »

silverwind wrote: post #282
bastawhiz wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you compile JSX to JavaScript, it produces a series of function calls representing the structure of the JSX. In a recent major version, React added a new set of functions which are more efficient at both runtime and during transport, and don't require an explicit import (which helps cut down on unnecessary dependencies).

You mean the automatic runtime introduced in 2020. It does not have any impact on the performance, it's just a pure developer UX improvement.

It improves the bundle size for most apps because the imported functions can be minified better. Depending on your bundler, it can avoid function calls at runtime.
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