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Re: Addiction Markets

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No, it's not. Person A buys stock 1, stock one goes from $10 to $15. Person A makes $5. Person B buys it at $15 and then it pays a $1 dividend, person B makes $1. It's not zero sum, everyone can win.

That only applies for industries that are growing. And most of the “gambling” happens in options markets which are perfectly zero sum before fees.

Shrinking industries can still generate profit, and can still give out dividends.

Re: Addiction Markets

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Regressive taxes can be counterbalanced by redistributive policies. Sales taxes are regressive too for example and bring much much more revenue. The issue is sales taxes disincentivize consumption whereas gambling taxes disinventivize gambling.

> whereas gambling taxes disinventivize gambling. Do they, though? The vig is 10%, very transparently shown in the odds, and paid immediately. It proves very little disincentive. The tax is paid annually and only if you win; for most people, it is 0%. Are we really going to argue that the tax is a serious factor in discouraging the behavior?

Yes, because if the tax were 100% then people would still bet, they would just move it off platform. Just like every other sin tax in existence.

Re: Addiction Markets

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When you lose (most people, most of the time), you don't have to pay tax on winnings because there aren't any. But gambling itself seems like sort of a regressive tax that preys upon those susceptible to gambling. Edit: at least with state lotteries the state gets most of the money so it is more like a tax; in the case of corporate sports betting the corporation takes the money and then pays a small corporate tax on…

> When you lose (most people, most of the time) For modern gambling (not including some prediction market setups) its actually all of the people (still allowed to play), most of the time. Because if you win regularly they limit or outright ban you from playing. If they keep letting you play they have determined algorithmically that you're statistically a loser over time. So not only is this easy access to online/app-…

Do you have proof to back up this claim? I know there are professional people and organizations (companies) that are heavy into prediction and sports betting, they are not getting throttled.

Re: Addiction Markets

#294

But if you want to outlaw this harmful activity [licensed gambling], you have to find a way to replace 6.4% of Maryland’s budget, which is slightly less than the entire amount the state brings in from corporate taxes. A fraction of the proceeds of losing bets from a fraction of Maryland's citizens contributes almost the same to state services -- EMS, education, road maintenance, etc -- than the total corporate taxes…

We should found the government via heroin and christal meth sales.

We should ban heroin and crystal meth so nobody does it anymore.

Re: Addiction Markets

#295

I am a semi-professional gambler, based in the UK. To parse that statement: I have a day job; I make about as much income from software that trades on betting exchanges as I do from the day job, except that income is tax free (because UK law does not recognise it as a taxable trade - another debate); and I spend a lot of time watching, reading and understanding changes in the gambling industry because a significant c…

Once they identify you as a consistent winner with EV>0 they ban you from their business. Happens also with government owned gambling companies.

Re: Addiction Markets

#296

It feels like banning advertising for gambling would be a sweet spot between harm reduction and maintaining individual liberty. Sports gambling ads have ruined sports media. State lottery ads are even worse. The government should not spend money to encourage its own citizens to partake in harmful activities.

I'm fairly pro-market, but I agree with this. I think people should do what they want if they don't harm themselves or others. Advertising these things are different...

I don't have a problem with people smoking or drinking, but I agree we shouldn't allow advertising. However, they should be able to advertise in adult only outlets.

ex: Does Playboy still have Cigarette and Liqour advertisements?

Re: Addiction Markets

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We should found the government via heroin and christal meth sales.

We should ban heroin and crystal meth so nobody does it anymore.

No that would give the CIA an undue monopoly on it. That just screams anti-trust!

Re: Addiction Markets

#298
What happened to America. Maybe 70's or 40's were it's peak. Every activity has become a betting. Investments, sports, relationships, home-buying.

Addictions are a symptom of having an excessive amount of free time, floating money and lack of fear of reprisal from family and society and lack of basic wisdom.

Excessive prosperity breaks social rythm. It removes dependencies and relations across individuals. It's like a tree turned into chips, with freedom for every chip. As individuals, you won (materialistic luxury etc), but as a family, community or country, you fail.

Re: Addiction Markets

#299

It feels like banning advertising for gambling would be a sweet spot between harm reduction and maintaining individual liberty. Sports gambling ads have ruined sports media. State lottery ads are even worse. The government should not spend money to encourage its own citizens to partake in harmful activities.

Nah the sweet spot is to make the gambling companies pay for the treatment and recovery of the people addicted to their products, up to whatever amount they gave the gambling company.

Talk through it, how does that play out exactly?

Do they addicts have to self report to get treatment? Do we force them?

Re: Addiction Markets

#300

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I imagine outright banning would create a fairly large grey market. The objective should be harm reduction, as eradication would be basically impossible.

The discussion is about banning the advertising of gambling, not gambling itself. There won't be a large grey market for advertisements.

Wanna bet?

Try regulating that on the internet, or walk down a construction sight in Manhattan, there are illegal ads all over.

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