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Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Post by acdha »

dragonwriter wrote: post #275
duxup wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think ICE is in fact setup / groomed to be ... lawless. Just thugs for the federal government.

Its not just ICE, its clear Trump intent for law enforcement (and not just federal) from even very early on in his first term, where a highlighted priority was terminating then-active federal enforcement actions against state law enforcement agencies for violations of civil rights. Lawless “law enforcement” has been one of the most consistent overt priorities Trump has had.

Yes, but ICE has been fast and loose with the law for a long time so they’re starting without something like the military’s culture about lawful orders, appropriate use of force, etc. As in so many areas, past presidents ignoring the problem left it ready for scaled up abuse.

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Post by acdha »

jaco6 wrote: post #138
fabian2k wrote: post #24

The absolutely outrageous thing is that apparently they are instructed to ignore all other evidence of citizenship if that app says someone is not a citizen. So even if you have your birth certificate ready, doesn't matter. This is completely lawless. From the article: > He also said “ICE officials have told us that an apparent biometric match by Mobile Fortify is a ‘definitive’ determination of a person’s status and…

Birth certificates and driver's licenses can be and are routinely faked by everyone from high school students to foreign agents. Faces cannot be faked.

Faces can’t be easily be “faked” in person but they can definitely be misrecognized or recognized correctly against mistagged data. Anything like this needs to be designed with the assumption that errors will be frequent enough that the finding has to be validated before doing something serious.

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Post by nobody9999 »

krapp wrote: post #238
more_corn wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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>People voted for a bait and switch. There was no "bait and switch." Nothing Trump is doing now should be a surprise to anyone who paid attention to him or the Trumpist movement over the last decade. >If we give them room to say “this isn’t what wanted” we give them room to say “next time I want something different.” The problem is, this is exactly what many of them wanted, and now they're just trying to cover their…

>The problem is, this is exactly what many of them wanted, and now they're just trying to cover their ass because the revolution didn't work out the way they expected.

That's as may be, but if you give these folks the room to act differently next time, at least some of them will. Which might well be enough to turn the tide in the next elections.

As such, writing off everyone who didn't support exactly what you support as a racist, fascistic, bloodthirsty scumbag who should be put down isn't the best strategy.

I'm incensed by what's been going on and I never supported Trump or his (now) hangers on. That said, I'm sure that you and I disagree about a bunch of things. Does that make me an unredeemably evil human being?

In fact, the vast majority of Americans agree about much more than they disagree. Your "othering" of folks is just as bad as those who "other" folks who believe what you do.

No. This isn't a "both sides" argument. Rather it's a "your fellow Americans are humans too and mostly want the same things. Why don't we agree on those things and work to come to amicable resolutions where possible?" kind of argument.

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Post by cozzyd »

Animats wrote: post #226
Animats wrote: post #200

In half an hour, Gregory Bovino, who heads some ICE operation in Chicago, is supposed to appear before a Federal judge to be questioned on what ICE did to whom today. Let's see if he shows up.

Didn't happen. A frantic appeal by the Administration to the 7th circuit court of appeals postponed it.

The frustrating thing is the judge originally requested 1630 but then acquiesced to 1800.

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Post by phs318u »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #216
phs318u wrote: post #178

Anti-surveillance makeup anyone? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_vision_dazzle

Can we do stickers that people can print out and wear?

A seriously good idea which I can find no prior art for! Also, worth checking out this pro-privacy/anti-surveillance artist/activist - Adam Harvey. His site and his work is a fantastic intro into the anti-surveillance scene. (Check out his DataPools).

https://adam.harvey.studio/

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Post by acdha »

worik wrote: post #146
tootie wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is absolutely insane that the party who tried on the Libertarian mask less than 20 years ago and rode high on a wave of "don't tread on me" individual liberty is now suddenly ok with masked thugs scanning everyone's faces for their master database of enemies of the state.

> suddenly ok with masked thugs scanning everyone's faces The point is it is brown people's faces. They have always been OK with that

You’re right in general but it has been striking to see how much the current Republican response has flipped from what we heard for years after the Elian Gonzalez case, where Giuliani described the BORTAC agents as “storm troopers” and the outage is credited with flipping Florida for Bush in 2000.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jim_Goldman_and_Elian_Gon...

Re: ICE and CBP agents are scanning faces on the street to verify citizenship

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Post by mikeiz404 »

navigate8310 wrote: post #233
Molitor5901 wrote: post #90

I wonder if this is a portend to an American social credit score, like where China uses facial recognition to identify criminals at concerts[1], and jaywalkers, etc. which severely impacts a person's ability to get a job, housing, etc. I can't help but assume this is already being used at retail establishments, but now it could be tied into law enforcement databases, and .. communicate..

We already live in the social credit dystopia. https://www.thenexus.media/your-phone-already-has-social-cre...

I think the post's argument is that we are on the way to something akin to China's social credit system (but not there yet).

> What we have aren't unified social credit systems…yet. They're fragmented behavioral scoring networks that don't directly communicate. Your Uber rating doesn't affect your mortgage rate, and your LinkedIn engagement doesn't determine your insurance premiums. But the infrastructure is being built to connect these systems. We're building the technical and cultural foundations that could eventually create comprehensive social credit systems. The question isn't whether we have Chinese-style social credit now (because we don't). The question is whether we're building toward it without acknowledging what we're creating.

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Post by cozzyd »

marcusverus wrote: post #251
elicash wrote: post #6

The irony of doing this while covering their own faces

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The evidence of their malevolence goes far behind face coverings (which let's face it, is probably to avoid embarrassment in their community the next time they teargas a children's Halloween parade).

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Post by z2 »

FireBeyond wrote: post #285
JuniperMesos wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I checked the State of California website for REAL ID eligibility before I wrote my above comment, and it confirms that people with temporary legal immigration status are eligible for REAL ID cards, specifically mentioning DACA recipients as an example of a category of people who are eligible. This is exactly the sort of thing I think should not be allowed by the federal framework governing REAL IDs, non-permanent re…

California is an outlier here. I am a permanent resident in Washington and Washington will only issue REAL ID-compliant Enhanced Drivers Licenses to US citizens, not to LPRs.

Washington is one of a handful of states (all bordering Canada) that offer enhanced driver's licenses, which are by definition meant to prove US citizenship so you can use it to travel back to the US from Canada.

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Post by pavel_lishin »

tracker1 wrote: post #258
qingcharles wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume the agents are using their own phones. One of their phones is going to be left in a bar and end up on eBay at some point and then the APK can be extracted at least.

It should be an assigned/signed device with biometric and passcode access configured... At least it was in a couple proposals I helped define for credentialing emergency responders... though the contract definitely went with a different supplier than the one I was working with.

It should not exist at all.
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