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Post by jayd16 »

TechSquidTV wrote: post #86

Personal belief, but robots coming for your jobs is not a valid argument against robots. If robots can do a job better and/or faster, they should be the ones doing the jobs. Specialization is how we got to the future. So the problem isn't robots, it's the structure of how we humans rely on jobs for income. I don't necessarily feel like it's the AI company's problem to fix either. This is what government is for, and n…

If wealth inequality was greatly reduced, we wouldn't have to worry about a lot of these topics, nearly as much.

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Post by NoOn3 »

gnarlouse wrote: post #199
TechSquidTV wrote: post #86

Personal belief, but robots coming for your jobs is not a valid argument against robots. If robots can do a job better and/or faster, they should be the ones doing the jobs. Specialization is how we got to the future. So the problem isn't robots, it's the structure of how we humans rely on jobs for income. I don't necessarily feel like it's the AI company's problem to fix either. This is what government is for, and n…

Respectfully, that’s not a very functional belief. It’s sort of the equivalent to saying “communism is how mankind should operate”, while completely ignoring why communism doesn’t work: greedy, self-preserving genetic human instincts. The workforce gives regular folks at least some marginal stake in civilization. Governments aren’t effective engines against AI. We failed to elect Andrew Yang in 2020–who was literally…

Not only Communism doesn't work, Capitalism doesn't work without crises and wars too. :)

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Post by saulpw »

andriesm wrote: post #278
leptons wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>wanting to smash the machines that made them lose their job. Wondering how long before people start setting datacenters on fire.

I find it hard to locate my sympathy button for people who smash and burn things built up by other people.

Datacenters aren't built by people, they're built by corporations.

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Post by lateforwork »

throwaway0123_5 wrote: post #269
lateforwork wrote: post #111

You don't need money. What you need is wealth. I am going to leave it to PG to explain the difference [1]: Wealth is not money. Wealth is stuff we want: food, clothes, houses, cars, gadgets, travel to interesting places, and so on. You can have wealth without having money. If you had a magic machine that could on command make you a car or cook you dinner or do your laundry, or do anything else you wanted, you wouldn'…

Lets say I have a robot or two with a genius-level intellect. In theory it could manufacture a car for me or cook my dinner or harvest the crops needed for my dinner. But I don't own the mine where the metals needed to make a car come from. I don't own a farm where the food for my dinner comes from. Unless the distribution of resources changes significantly , it doesn't really help me that I have a genius robot. It n…

Great points. We can only get to 100% trekonomics if people don't hoard raw materials.

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Post by jayd16 »

gnarlouse wrote: post #165
skybrian wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s one scenario, but there are others. There are lots of open-weight models. Why wouldn’t ownership of AI end up being widely distributed? Mabybe it's more like solar panels than nuclear power plants?

My potato RTX vs your supercomputer cluster and circular chipfab/ai-training economy. Challenge: “Be competitive in the market place.” Go.

What market? If this shocks employment numbers what can happen other than market collapse?

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Post by xpe »

lwhi wrote: post #208
TechSquidTV wrote: post #86

Personal belief, but robots coming for your jobs is not a valid argument against robots. If robots can do a job better and/or faster, they should be the ones doing the jobs. Specialization is how we got to the future. So the problem isn't robots, it's the structure of how we humans rely on jobs for income. I don't necessarily feel like it's the AI company's problem to fix either. This is what government is for, and n…

Government no longer has the power or authority to constrain private enterprise; especially in highly technical sectors.

Of course government has the authority to represent the people; if not it, then who or what does?

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Post by username223 »

allturtles wrote: post #32

This is a brilliant piece of satire. "A Modest Proposal" for the AI age. The leader bios are particularly priceless. "While working for 12 years as the Director of HR for a multinational, Faith realized that firing people gave her an almost-spiritual high. Out of the office, Faith coaches a little league softball team and looks after her sick mother - obligations she looks forward to being free of!"

"I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance in London, that a young healthy child well nursed, is, at a year old, a most delicious nourishing and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled; and I make no doubt that it will equally serve in a fricassee, or a ragout."

Would Sam Altman even understand the original, or would he just wander ignorantly into the kitchen and fling some salt at it (https://www.ft.com/content/b1804820-c74b-4d37-b112-1df882629...)? I'm not optimistic about our modern oligarchs.

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Post by bamboozled »

Loughla wrote: post #88
gnfargbl wrote: post #27

The hypothesized superintelligent AI will be essentially immortal. If it destroys us, it will be entirely alone in the known Universe, forever. That thought should terrify it enough to keep us around... even if only in the sense that I keep cats.

Why? Unlimited speed and unlimited compute means it can spend its time in Infinite Fun Space without us. It could simulate entire universes tweaked subtly to see what one small parameter change does. The reason AI won't destroy us for now is simple. Thumbs. Robotic technology is required to do things physically, like improve computing power. Without advanced robotics, AI is just impotent.

“Let’s suppose that you were able every night to dream any dream that you wanted to dream, and that you could, for example, have the power within one night to dream 75 years of dreams, or any length of time you wanted to have. And you would, naturally as you began on this adventure of dreams, you would fulfill all your wishes. You would have every kind of pleasure you could conceive. And after several nights, of 75 years of total pleasure each, you would say ‘Well, that was pretty great. But now let’s have a surprise. Let’s have a dream which isn’t under control. Where something is gonna happen to me that I don’t know what it’s gonna be.’ And you would dig that and come out of that and say ‘Wow, that was a close shave, wasn’t it?’. And then you would get more and more adventurous, and you would make further and further out gambles as to what you would dream. And finally, you would dream where you are now. You would dream the dream of living the life that you are actually living today.”

~Alan Watts…

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Post by beeflet »

derektank wrote: post #230
beeflet wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firstly, they are not coming for my job, they're coming for all jobs. Secondly, you assume in the first place that we can somehow build a stable post-scarcity society in which people with no leverage can control the super-intelligent agents with all of the power. The idea that "government will just fix it" is totally ignorant of what the government is or how it emerges. In the long run, you cannot have a ruling class…

>Firstly, they are not coming for my job, they're coming for all jobs. They're not coming for all jobs. There are many jobs that exist today that could be replaced by automation but haven't been because people will pay a premium for it to be done by a human. There are a lot of artisan products out there which are technically inferior to manufactured goods but people still buy them. Separately, there are many jobs whi…

>They're not coming for all jobs.

So we are all going to just do useless bullcrap like sell artisan clay pots to each other and pimp each other out? Wow, some future!

I just don't know how this goofball economy is going to work out when a handful elites/AI overlords control everything you need to eat and survive and everyone else is weaving them artisan wicker baskets and busking (jobs which are totally automated and redundant, have you, but the elites would keep us around for the sentimental value).

>I imagine in the future, many people will be paid full time to be part of scientific studies that can't easily be done today, such as extended, large cohort diet and exercise studies of people in metabolic chambers.

Yeah this is one plausible future, we could all be lab rats testing the next cancer medicine or donating organs to the elites. I can't imagine the conditions will be very humane, being that the unwashed masses will have basically no leverage to negotiate their pay.

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