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Re: Datastar: Lightweight hypermedia framework for building interactive web apps

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Post by xdfgh1112 »

andersmurphy wrote: post #258
xdfgh1112 wrote: post #33

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I appreciated it. If I'm going to consider a framework I want to know if some of it costs money. Especially like 299usd. Frankly your response seems very hostile and makes me wants to avoid them more.

How much do you pay big tech for your LLM subscriptions monthly? I'm really curious. 299$ lifetime which includes future features seems like a steal. I bought it and don't use it, but I'm excited to see what comes next.

You live in a bubble. 299 is a crazy amount of money for me. I am currently debating whether to pay for copilot at 20/mo or keep using the free version.

Even if I was paying for that, there's no comparison between AI and a web framework that has many free competitors.

Re: Datastar: Lightweight hypermedia framework for building interactive web apps

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Post by andersmurphy »

xdfgh1112 wrote: post #291
andersmurphy wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much do you pay big tech for your LLM subscriptions monthly? I'm really curious. 299$ lifetime which includes future features seems like a steal. I bought it and don't use it, but I'm excited to see what comes next.

You live in a bubble. 299 is a crazy amount of money for me. I am currently debating whether to pay for copilot at 20/mo or keep using the free version. Even if I was paying for that, there's no comparison between AI and a web framework that has many free competitors.

You don't need to pay for datastar. As I've said befor I don't use any of the pro plugins (plugins anyone can build themselves for that matter).

Sad to see developers getting ripped off by AI. Copilot is junk. The whole AI bubble is just a tax powered by fear of missing out. Save yourself 20$ a month, learn to touch type, use snippets and download a local copy of the docs.

Re: Datastar: Lightweight hypermedia framework for building interactive web apps

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Post by xdfgh1112 »

andersmurphy wrote: post #292
xdfgh1112 wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You live in a bubble. 299 is a crazy amount of money for me. I am currently debating whether to pay for copilot at 20/mo or keep using the free version. Even if I was paying for that, there's no comparison between AI and a web framework that has many free competitors.

You don't need to pay for datastar. As I've said befor I don't use any of the pro plugins (plugins anyone can build themselves for that matter). Sad to see developers getting ripped off by AI. Copilot is junk. The whole AI bubble is just a tax powered by fear of missing out. Save yourself 20$ a month, learn to touch type, use snippets and download a local copy of the docs.

Just because something is overhyped doesn't mean it can't be useful. You can literally try it for free with vscode and figure out quickly where it saves you time and where it doesn't. I made a value judgement that it saves me more than 20usd of time. If it didn't I wouldn't pay for it. Developers are not idiots motivated by fomo.

Using it for vibe coding where you pay for every token - and end up paying hundreds over dozens of iterations, when it would have been easier to write it yourself - is probably closer to what you're talking about. That's a totally different use case.

Re: Datastar: Lightweight hypermedia framework for building interactive web apps

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Post by andersmurphy »

xdfgh1112 wrote: post #294
andersmurphy wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't need to pay for datastar. As I've said befor I don't use any of the pro plugins (plugins anyone can build themselves for that matter). Sad to see developers getting ripped off by AI. Copilot is junk. The whole AI bubble is just a tax powered by fear of missing out. Save yourself 20$ a month, learn to touch type, use snippets and download a local copy of the docs.

Just because something is overhyped doesn't mean it can't be useful. You can literally try it for free with vscode and figure out quickly where it saves you time and where it doesn't. I made a value judgement that it saves me more than 20usd of time. If it didn't I wouldn't pay for it. Developers are not idiots motivated by fomo. Using it for vibe coding where you pay for every token - and end up paying hundreds over…

If you're using vscode your going to experience one of the biggest rug pulls in history (even more so if you're using copilot). I mean wasn't copilot free until recently?

Developers are idiots (I include myself in that). The industry is myopic and completely driven by fashion.

Re: Datastar: Lightweight hypermedia framework for building interactive web apps

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Post by xdfgh1112 »

andersmurphy wrote: post #295
xdfgh1112 wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because something is overhyped doesn't mean it can't be useful. You can literally try it for free with vscode and figure out quickly where it saves you time and where it doesn't. I made a value judgement that it saves me more than 20usd of time. If it didn't I wouldn't pay for it. Developers are not idiots motivated by fomo. Using it for vibe coding where you pay for every token - and end up paying hundreds over…

If you're using vscode your going to experience one of the biggest rug pulls in history (even more so if you're using copilot). I mean wasn't copilot free until recently? Developers are idiots (I include myself in that). The industry is myopic and completely driven by fashion.

It used to cost money, it's now free but it's quite limited. I'm sure it'll get more expensive later, but it is great value at the moment.

Not sure how you can rug pull an open source project...

Re: Datastar: Lightweight hypermedia framework for building interactive web apps

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Post by andersmurphy »

xdfgh1112 wrote: post #296
andersmurphy wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're using vscode your going to experience one of the biggest rug pulls in history (even more so if you're using copilot). I mean wasn't copilot free until recently? Developers are idiots (I include myself in that). The industry is myopic and completely driven by fashion.

It used to cost money, it's now free but it's quite limited. I'm sure it'll get more expensive later, but it is great value at the moment. Not sure how you can rug pull an open source project...

Because most of vscode is not open source. See the python lsp, copitlot, plugin store, the fact that it's practically impossible to turn off telemetry/tracking. Gradually more and more of the actual value, is being moved into these proprietary systems and plugins to the point where vscode is really just an open source shim. In fact the vscode binary running on your machine does not have an MIT licence.

For now that's fine as it's mainly an on-ramp for Azure. But, if Windows is anything to go by, I imagine the enshitification of vscode is inevitable given enough time.

Re: Datastar: Lightweight hypermedia framework for building interactive web apps

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Post by anthonylevine »

nchmy wrote: post #178
anthonylevine wrote: post #135

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>This is not only well documented Please, I'm begging you to share this "well documented" fact that most frontend frameworks barely "handle" on the simplest of sites.

Certainly! Here's a good start (React is the main focus, but it extends to many other frameworks) https://infrequently.org/2024/11/if-not-react-then-what/ (there's MUCH more at this site as well) https://www.zachleat.com/web/react-criticism/

So well documented is......2 sites? lol
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