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Re: Figure 03, our 3rd generation humanoid robot

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Post by tiahura »

natemcintosh wrote: post #23

I would love to have something like this for all the chores around my house. But I also have serious reservations about the increased level insight into my private home life this could provide to the manufacturer. Look at cases like the ring camera security violations [1]. A moving robot could be an order of magnitude more invasive of your privacy. If I were to purchase this, I would want serious privacy guarantees.…

What a carefree life you must lead to have time or energy to care what a robot manufacturer thinks of your home.

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Post by esafak »

brailsafe wrote: post #254
robots0only wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

+100!!! Please don't fall for the HYPE. The current best neural networks only have around 60% success rates for small horizon tasks (think 10-20 seconds e.g. pick up apple). That is why there is so much cut-motions in this video. The future will be awesome but it will take time a lot of research still needs to happen (e.g. robust hands, tactile, how to even collect large scale data, RL).

> The future will be awesome Perhaps this is a bit pedantic, but what about the probable eventual proliferation of useful humanoid robots will make the future awesome? What does an awesome future look like compared to today, to you?

They could do all the back-breaking work. A domestic assistant would be great too.

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Post by phs318u »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #266
93po wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the use case here is smaller to medium size businesses that don't need a $150k suction robot arm 24/7, but do need 24/7 help with warehousing, packaging, restocking, taking inventory, sorting mailing, applying shipping labes, etc. With a single humanoid robot you can do all that for, at some point, possibly as low as $20k for a one-time robot purchase.

> one-time robot purchase. With a hefty subscription to make it do anything useful.

With humans, we call that subscription a salary.

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Post by legucy »

NewUser76312 wrote: post #140

People comparing this to GPT-2 is very interesting. While it sounds like a nice analogy or even a good story to investors, the fundamentals are very different. To train GPT, all of the training data (the internet of text, scanned books, etc) had already existed, even before the GPT project began. Arguably, the compute required (for GPT-3) also already existed, even before GPT-2. The GPT project really just came down…

Could we do RL in simulated environments, and use a vision LLM to provide the verification? I.e test a policy then take a 2d image of the end state, VLM yields 0 or 1.

Another idea: video extension model as a world model. We fine tune Sora on first person robot videos (and we train another model to predict actuation states from FPV). Then we extend the video using Sora “a robot in first person view finishes moving laundry from washer to dryer”. Then predict actuation states from the extended video?

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Post by thomassmith65 »

cooper_ganglia wrote: post #161

Crazy to me how negative the comments are here. None of this was even remotely possible less than 5 years ago. Now, we're demoing consumer-facing robotics that will soon, within a couple iterations, be able to perform most of your household tasks without issue. The frog boils quickly.

If it's a robot demo, I assume it's partly or even entirely fake. There are exceptions, of course, like Boston Dynamics.

Re: Figure 03, our 3rd generation humanoid robot

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Post by ttul »

There are lots of comments here about how Figure’s website uses cherry-picked videos that are slickly produced. But that’s precisely what they must be doing at this stage. Yes, there’s some real tech being developed at Figure and it’s amazing and totally imperfect. But the bigger challenge is keeping investors interested so the money keeps flowing. Without the lifeblood of investment, Figure won’t ever get that robot to work properly.

So, my conclusion is that they’re doing it all right for this stage. Lots of glamour added to a bit of substance.

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Post by aeternum »

Philip-J-Fry wrote: post #232
aDyslecticCrow wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm not sure that task needs a humanoid robot An industrial robot arm with air powered suction cups would do the trick... https://bostondynamics.com/products/stretch/ ... ... So the task they work best at is the task there is already cheaper better robots specialized for.

I feel like we're entering the era of general and inefficient solutions to problems. Like LLMs being used to pick values out of JSON objects when jq would do the job 1000x more efficiently. This is what this whole field feels like right now. Let's spend lots of time and energy to create a humanoid robot to do the things humans already decided humans were inefficient at and solved with specialised tools. Like people s…

There were plenty of digital circuit engineers back in the 90s that said microprocessors were general and inefficient solutions to problems.

And if you needed it programmable, well an FPGA was still almost as general and far more efficient than a microprocessor.

Guess what won.

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Post by deadbabe »

HAL3000 wrote: post #78

All of the examples in videos are cherry picked. Go ask anyone working on humanoid robots today, almost everything you see here, if repeated 10 times, will enter failure mode because the happy path is so narrow. There should really be benchmarks where you invite robots from different companies, ask them beforehand about their capabilities, and then create an environment that is within those capabilities but was not u…

This is so damning. How are you not afraid of retribution from big players in the AI space? You pretty much destroyed their company.

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Post by ygouzerh »

paxys wrote: post #179
cooper_ganglia wrote: post #161

Crazy to me how negative the comments are here. None of this was even remotely possible less than 5 years ago. Now, we're demoing consumer-facing robotics that will soon, within a couple iterations, be able to perform most of your household tasks without issue. The frog boils quickly.

> None of this was even remotely possible less than 5 years ago. Boston Dynamics has been releasing actual product demos of such robots (not cherry-picked ads) for ~20 years now. Not a single one has graduated to any mass market real world use case. I'm not saying one shouldn't be hopeful, but it's also not hard to see why people here are generally more conservative about the near future.

Boston Dynamics is very good at the mechanical part of robotics. They only start recently to take a look at integrating more autonomy and long term decision making.

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Post by mrcwinn »

cooper_ganglia wrote: post #161

Crazy to me how negative the comments are here. None of this was even remotely possible less than 5 years ago. Now, we're demoing consumer-facing robotics that will soon, within a couple iterations, be able to perform most of your household tasks without issue. The frog boils quickly.

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