If this was to become an actual law, that could ruin a persons life. what if they depended on the internet infrastructure for their work or profession. They'd literally have to leave Canada.
Not really. Use open and public WiFI with anonymizers, don't post on public social networks to incriminate yourself.
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#292Earlier quoted context omitted.
This law does not cite the notwithstanding clause, so nothing has been waived away. The federal government has never once invoked the notwithstanding clause. Furthermore, the notwithstanding clause only allows overriding some rights. It does not override the entire constitution.
It doesn't override all, just the most important ones: sections 2 & 7-15. Section 2 is even titled "fundamental freedoms". This means all of the following (and more) are subject to "notwithstanding": Freedom of conscience and religion. Freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication. Freedom of peaceful assembly. Freedom of association. Right to life…
The most important right is the requirement to have regular elections so that any overreach can be repealed or simply not renewed. Everything flows from that.
In practise the charter has been very effective in protecting the rights of canadians. I feel that it is more effective than the american system despite the american system having more absolute garuntees on paper.
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#293I tought that the National Post was exaggerating the severity in their crusade against the Liberal like they frequently do. So I when to read the law and it's as bad as they say: https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/45-1/bill/C-8/first-re... ... Factor Before making the order, the Governor in Council must consider (a) its operational impact on the affected telecommunications service providers; (b) its financial impa…
The universal push for expanded security trumping all is concerning. At this point authoritarian pushes are the best case scenario - I’m fearing it’s preparation for wartime.
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Not nearly afraid enough.
I have to laugh. Why do you think this? They own everything. They have successfully taken over both parties for them to steam roll literally everything they want. Taxes have never been lower. The wealth gap never higher. The only people trying to stand up to them are progressives but even the Democratic party works against them. They've won. They have nothing to be afraid of.
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#295Earlier quoted context omitted.
tldr is "kettle calling the pot black" Both extremes don't listen and arguments always fall on deaf ears, especially when perceived as ideologically different. Merits of the argument are irrelevant. Most don't evolve past"My dad is stronger than your dad", it just morphs into "my God is better than your god", or in more recent years "my politics/policy smarter than your policy". The people at the top want the same th…
Yes we know, being pro universal healthcare is equally as radical as building literal concentration camps and sending legal immigrants to them. The left has never oppressed the right in this country. Being banned from twitter for saying racial slurs is not oppression .
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#296I tought that the National Post was exaggerating the severity in their crusade against the Liberal like they frequently do. So I when to read the law and it's as bad as they say: https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/45-1/bill/C-8/first-re... ... Factor Before making the order, the Governor in Council must consider (a) its operational impact on the affected telecommunications service providers; (b) its financial impa…
The universal push for expanded security trumping all is concerning. At this point authoritarian pushes are the best case scenario - I’m fearing it’s preparation for wartime.
China is going to attack pearl harbour in the hopes that a sudden unexpected attack will cripple the pacific fleet and knock America out of the war. It won’t work, we’ll go through hell again. But every time these places think it will work, and they don’t factor in the fact that they are completely reliant on foreign trade for their economy.
Russia is pretty much in war economy now, they have no choice but to escalate and invade Eastern Europe. They have no chance of winning, but that never matters to crazy people.
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#297There is no such thing as rights or a constitution in Canada. The government can waive them away with a “notwithstanding” clause and then they can do what they like.
Thank god for the notwithstanding clause or we wouldn’t live in a democracy but instead rule by unelected judges. The notwithstanding clause is about ensuring Parliament remains supreme.
If you exclude Quebec,laws invoking the notwithstanding clause have been struck down by courts more often then they have succesfully been used.
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They want to ruin the lives of those who oppose them. The Canadian Liberal government has previously attempted the same goal by de-banking protestors, in a move that the courts later ruled unconstitutional.
Let's not defend the konvoy agitators here, these were legit seditionists who were given far too much leeway to start with. Cutting off their access to crowdsourced funds was too little too late, they should have been shut down more forcefully much sooner.
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#299I tought that the National Post was exaggerating the severity in their crusade against the Liberal like they frequently do. So I when to read the law and it's as bad as they say: https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/45-1/bill/C-8/first-re... ... Factor Before making the order, the Governor in Council must consider (a) its operational impact on the affected telecommunications service providers; (b) its financial impa…
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#300I think countries with division and low social trust and cohesion necessarily require increasingly authoritarian measures from the government to hold them together. Increasing dependence on government for their own security will reduce peoples' ability to question and change the government. One might think it's all part of the plan. Real freedom and self determination has been a fleeting blink of an eye in the histor…
> low social trust and cohesion necessarily require increasingly authoritarian measures Then this country is fucked. It's really hard to have some kind of national identity when the previous PM goes and says things like Canada might be the first post-national state.
Is there a reason why national identity and being a high-trust society need to be linked?