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So what do you propose we do when China attacks? Capitulate?!

Why "when"?

Military build-up. Xi's own bellicose declarations towards Taiwan. Closeness to and participation into other dictator's military endeavors.

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> It is important that the US have strong auto companies. Same is true for Germany, France, Japan, S. Korea, etc. It is. But the reality is that those companies are complacent fossils who have lost all their vigor, and only threat of extinction would force them to innovate. Which they’re not under because legislators agree with you (in no small part thanks to their lobbyists). Like many things, we’ll realize the exte…

Part of this is our own regulatory structure. You can no longer buy a basic, simple, cheap, reliable car in the united states. (at least not a new model) You used to be able to all the time. Just 11 years ago I bought a brand new car for $14k and it was pretty great! It had no features outside of air conditioning and a stereo. Roll-up windows, manual mirrors, etc. It was wonderful. The current regulatory safety and M…

I'm not sure it's regulation; in the UK you can buy a brand new Dacia Sandero for just under £15k (~$20k), and we have pretty strict safety and emissions regulations. I think it's more about consumer demand, and auto manufacturers realising there's more profit in selling higher-end models.

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> certainly not a full tank though I wonder how much you couldn't though. Obviously you'd need to retool the whole thing, and the cannon is a bit more complicated than simply a metal cylinder, but just how much more complicated? The reloading system is probably the most complex after of the jet turbine that powers those things. My other question is, with gigacasting, how much better could a Tesla factory build an M1…

I'm not as current as I used to be with my military trivia (I blame getting older and getting to know more refugees, veterans and families who lost people in wars) but I'll have a go: A tank weighs like 60 tons or so. The engine and transmission alone are heavier and bulkier than whole cars, so basically none of the infrastructure you have available in many car factories is dimensioned correctly. Modern armor is comp…

oh man, that's great. Thank you! I'm not in manufacturing so I love learning new things.

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Or you know - American companies can give customers a better product, instead of hiding behind yet another “too big to fail” scenario. America was synonymous with competition. To see protectionism championed, is to really see the end of an empire.

It's not that simple. China has supported key industries (like EVs, batteries, solar, semiconductors) that it views as strategic. Each country should do the same for their own situation. There is no such thing as pure capitalism- and what you see is 'protectionism' is to a lawmaker a way to ensure that the local company survives and provides jobs for the local region/state, etc. And as the other commenter mentioned,…

I do not think that it is certain that China supports more its key industries than USA, even if that is frequently claimed, but without any supporting numbers.

During the last few decades, I have almost never heard about a big US company making any big investment, like a new factory, or even just a new HQ, except after receiving very substantial state aids in the form of various kinds of tax reductions.

In many parts of Europe this kind of aid that is received in USA by most big companies would be labelled as illegal state aid and forbidden.

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Part of this is our own regulatory structure. You can no longer buy a basic, simple, cheap, reliable car in the united states. (at least not a new model) You used to be able to all the time. Just 11 years ago I bought a brand new car for $14k and it was pretty great! It had no features outside of air conditioning and a stereo. Roll-up windows, manual mirrors, etc. It was wonderful. The current regulatory safety and M…

I'm not sure it's regulation; in the UK you can buy a brand new Dacia Sandero for just under £15k (~$20k), and we have pretty strict safety and emissions regulations. I think it's more about consumer demand, and auto manufacturers realising there's more profit in selling higher-end models.

Fair enough. I'm really fixated on the ballooning vehicle sizes in the US, which is a CAFE / chicken tax concern, but that is definitely not the only factor.

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I'm not as current as I used to be with my military trivia (I blame getting older and getting to know more refugees, veterans and families who lost people in wars) but I'll have a go: A tank weighs like 60 tons or so. The engine and transmission alone are heavier and bulkier than whole cars, so basically none of the infrastructure you have available in many car factories is dimensioned correctly. Modern armor is comp…

oh man, that's great. Thank you! I'm not in manufacturing so I love learning new things.

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Not really

which is an entirely fine opinion, but would you mind using more words so our readers have something more to engage with?

Tesla is not miles ahead of auto makers that came before them. They do not have better build quality, higher durability, higher ownership satisfaction, are not more affordable, are not safer. Other automakers could easily transition into that market and make better vehicles than Tesla if they had the incentive to.

Their battery and charging technology is impressive and their supercharger network gives them a moat, but not enough of a moat. A concerted federal effort would quickly erase it, and that not happening yet is mostly down to incentives.

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which is an entirely fine opinion, but would you mind using more words so our readers have something more to engage with?

Tesla is not miles ahead of auto makers that came before them. They do not have better build quality, higher durability, higher ownership satisfaction, are not more affordable, are not safer. Other automakers could easily transition into that market and make better vehicles than Tesla if they had the incentive to. Their battery and charging technology is impressive and their supercharger network gives them a moat, bu…

Legacy carmakers still do things by model year. Their processes are waterfall in a world that's gone agile. As far as how well their metal box protects you when you're sitting in it and you get into a crash, all of their models rate very high. There's are fit and finish issues, you're absolutely right, but the dinosaurs aren't evolving with the times. We live in a software driven world now, and their old processes haven't been torn down and built from scratch to meet that reality. As a consumer, the new F150 Lightning does have a lot of cool features, so there's hope for them yet, plus Ford CEO Jim Farley's been driving around a Xiaomi SU7 from China. We'll see if he can light some fires under some asses and manage to turn the Titanic in time.

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Self driving cars? Apple taxis service? Apple family self driving vans? Owning the entire experience of taking people from one place to another? They simply thought it was too hard and went back to what was already working.

> Apple taxis service? Apple family self driving vans? Taxis and buses are pretty old tech at this point. (Not just from an Uber/Lyft perspective either; taxis and coaches predate cars themselves, because the ideas/"tech" worked just fine with actual horse power.) As for self-driving cars, so much of the efforts today remind me of that old Ford quote to the tune of "If I asked people what they wanted, they would have…

So how would you solve moving person from A to B?

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I'm not sure it's regulation; in the UK you can buy a brand new Dacia Sandero for just under £15k (~$20k), and we have pretty strict safety and emissions regulations. I think it's more about consumer demand, and auto manufacturers realising there's more profit in selling higher-end models.

Fair enough. I'm really fixated on the ballooning vehicle sizes in the US, which is a CAFE / chicken tax concern, but that is definitely not the only factor.

Ah yeh, that's true; and isn't there something like a very heavy vehicle can be recorded as a business expense, so people are more like to buy trucks even when they don't need them?
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