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Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by fao_ »

jobs_throwaway wrote: post #260
kimixa wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US has always claimed jurisdiction on foreign-hosted but US-accessible content. Do people forget the owner of Megaupload being extradited? In many ways this is just catching up to the current US state. And there's a lot of confusion here between basic consumer data protection laws and (IMHO massively overreaching) "Online Safety" laws. This isn't Imgur making a stand for free speech, this is Imgur wanting to trac…

The notion that a 17 year old cannot consent to user tracking is absurd

No, what is absurd is everyone having their data tracked and sold, including minors.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by nadermx »

dragonwriter wrote: post #274
nadermx wrote: post #246

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Megaupload is a weird one. He hosted in it the USA, giving USA jurisidction. Also it's still going through the courts in New Zeland and USA and hasn't been proven hes guilty. And if I recall he did alledge he followed the DMCA, which if he ever is extradited might save him if it is in fact true.

> And if I recall he did alledge he followed the DMCA, which if he ever is extradited might save him if it is in fact true. It 100% won’t; there is no DMCA safe harbor for criminal conduct, only for a narrow category of civil liability.

You are misapropriating. Copyright infrigment can become criminal if you willfully violate it. If you then take earnings from the willful infrigment and launder them, it becomes other crimes. But if you follow the DMCA and qualify for safe harbor, what copyright crime have you commited that would go to criminal?

Or to give you another example in backpage the founders where aquitted since the judge could not trace that the money came from a "criminal source" https://www.courthousenews.com/backpage-executives-acquitted...

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by nadermx »

dragonwriter wrote: post #276
nadermx wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you follow the DMCA I don't see why not.

The category of civil liability for which the compliance with the DMCA notice and takedown rules offers a safe harbor, first of all, doesn’t overlap with the conduct which constitutes criminal infringement but, more importantly, even if it did the DMCA safe harbor only applies to civil and not criminal liability in the first place. “Following the DMCA” is irrelevant to anything the FBI would be involved in.

The DMCA absolutely applies. If you follow it, which includes no induction or willfull infrigment, you never rise out of civil liability to criminal. The FBI gets involved once you're past that.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by hsbauauvhabzb »

fao_ wrote: post #291
jobs_throwaway wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The notion that a 17 year old cannot consent to user tracking is absurd

No, what is absurd is everyone having their data tracked and sold, including minors.

And the notion that if you reject all tracking, these scummy companies will not actually track you

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by happymellon »

matt-p wrote: post #257
KaiserPro wrote: post #235

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Wait, so you can host a torrent site in the USA and not get your domain ceased by the FBI?

No because torrenting is anti-capitalism and that's not tolerated culturally (Communist behaviour). However I doubt they'll be blocking WhatsApp and iMessage any time soon, or making people upload their ID to watch "adult content".

> However I doubt they'll be [...] making people upload their ID to watch "adult content".

https://www.google.com/search?q=texas%20porn%20law

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by potatototoo99 »

matt-p wrote: post #257
KaiserPro wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, so you can host a torrent site in the USA and not get your domain ceased by the FBI?

No because torrenting is anti-capitalism and that's not tolerated culturally (Communist behaviour). However I doubt they'll be blocking WhatsApp and iMessage any time soon, or making people upload their ID to watch "adult content".

They just forced TikTok US to be sold to a US company with a US commissar as a board member.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by ljm »

zmmmmm wrote: post #267

There's an opportunity for a service like CloudFlare here give people a simple toggle that manages geoblocks on legal liability factors. It's way too much for every organisation to individually track every country's laws day by day in case just by being accessible there you incur a liability. And it sounds like the UK would have just self-selected out of the list of "safe" countries. If something like this was in wid…

So a service like CloudFlare is the Great firewall of the world and CloudFlare can shut you down if you go against their interests as a supranational gatekeeper.

Smart thinking Batman.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by Root_Denied »

physicsguy wrote: post #19
lentil_soup wrote: post #14

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shouldn't it be the other way round? if the UK doesn't like something a non-UK company is doing it should be them that go through the trouble of blocking it. If I have a website I'm pretty sure I'm bound to break some random country's law without knowing Answering my own question, I guess it's exceptionalism of the powerful countries where they can just bully you into following their law

> shouldn't it be the other way round? if the UK doesn't like something a non-UK company is doing it should be them that go through the trouble of blocking it. They're clearly working up to this; it's what happened with Pirate Bay, etc.

They don't want (correctly) unfavorable comparisons to China's "Great Firewall" made, which most Western governments have lambasted in the past, so there's a PR/Politics side of it too.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by flir »

zmmmmm wrote: post #267

There's an opportunity for a service like CloudFlare here give people a simple toggle that manages geoblocks on legal liability factors. It's way too much for every organisation to individually track every country's laws day by day in case just by being accessible there you incur a liability. And it sounds like the UK would have just self-selected out of the list of "safe" countries. If something like this was in wid…

I wish Wikipedia would take one for the team, and go dark in the UK. (And I'm in the UK).

Wouldn't work with somewhere like China, but the UK might still be capable of being shamed.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Post by flumpcakes »

weberer wrote: post #216
fulafel wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being a country means you can make your own laws so the authority question has a pretty clear answer. Unless you disaviow national borders and state power and such stuff generally of course. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereignty

Read the question you're replying to again. Its a question about jurisdiction.

If it affects UK citizens, living in the UK, then there's jurisdiction. Either the entities comply, remove their services to the UK, or they risk sanctions/being arrested when abroad/etc.

Why should a US company harm UK citizens just because they're in the US?

If you want to serve a market in another country you have to follow their rules.

In this case, Imgur have been misusing UK children's information. Considering the laws are pretty similar, I suspect they're misusing EU children's information too.

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