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Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by ants_everywhere »

r00f wrote: post #203
segmondy wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The internet is worse for me with Cloudflare. I'm using a cellphone router for my internet. My guess is I don't get a dedicated IP and probably behind a NAT with other users. 85% of my request needs me to solve a cloudflare captcha. on bad days I have to do this easily 100+ times.

It is not Cloudflare's fault. It means the website operators were so fed up with bots and bad actors that they just applied a carpet ban and called it a day. Thanks to Cloudflare I was able to reduce my website load threefold and downscale my VMs and my monthly cloud bill, and seeing how 50k daily requests were shown CAPTCHA and not even tried to solve it makes me terrified of running anything without Cloudflare. Don…

Of course it's cloudflare's fault. They monetized and scaled a service that blocks humans from interacting with websites.

They're also essentially a deanonymization reverse proxy that can track everyone's browsing history and decide whether you get to see websites based on social credit.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by Gormo »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #285
Gormo wrote: post #282

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Which political environment pre-1980s do you want to go back to? 1930s? 1850s? 1760s?

> Which political environment pre-1980s do you want to go back to? 1934 [1]. [1] https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ll/usrep/usrep... Humphrey's Executor vs. United States

I can't imagine what a court case about whether the US president has the power to unilaterally dismiss officials in executive-branch agencies could possibly have to do with this.

At least you're referencing the United States in 1934, though. Things were very dysfunctional politically in the US at that time, but not nearly as bad as what was going on in some other parts of the world.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

Gormo wrote: post #292
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Which political environment pre-1980s do you want to go back to? 1934 [1]. [1] https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/ll/usrep/usrep... Humphrey's Executor vs. United States

I can't imagine what a court case about whether the US president has the power to unilaterally dismiss officials in executive-branch agencies could possibly have to do with this. At least you're referencing the United States in 1934, though. Things were very dysfunctional politically in the US at that time, but not nearly as bad as what was going on in some other parts of the world.

> can't imagine what a court case about whether the US president has the power to unilaterally dismiss officials in executive-branch agencies could possibly have to do with this

Seriously? You don't see the relevance of independent agencies to this discussion?

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by Gormo »

azemetre wrote: post #290
Gormo wrote: post #279

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To make sure I understand, your position is that anything vitally important to the internet should not be under the control of a plurality of institutions subject to heterogenous incentive structures, but instead should be under the centralized, monopolistic control of a single institution that is perpetually compromised by perverse incentives and ulterior motives, whose mechanisms of accountability are mostly perfor…

My position is that if something becomes critical it should be under democratic constraints in a democratic society and not private enterprises that have no forms of control by the populace. Maybe if Cloudflare had workplace democracy my concerns would be different, but they don't and wield too much power. If it also helps I also think 99.99% of big tech should be broken up into separate, probably a few 100, differen…

No such thing as "democratic constraints" or "democratic society" at the level you're discussing. Democracy is an imperfect safeguard against certain types of extreme dysfunction of the political system -- a necessary one for sure, but not nearly sufficient to make the institutions it applies to trustworthy with monopolistic control over other aspects of society.

Everything reduces to specific people acting on their a priori motivations in bounded contexts, and any system of centralized control is guaranteed to enable expressions of the worst motivations of the people involved. The distinctions you're making -- "private" vs. "public", "corporations" vs. "governments", etc. -- are fundamentally meaningless.

There are no "democratic norms", just norms adhered to by specific people and the factions they form, contesting against each other for power over others. Performative "democracy" is often just cover to allow the currently dominant factions to function as "dictatorships".

Decentralization and individual autonomy are the only solution to the problems you rightly care about, but what you're proposing is literally the opposite of that.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by dajonker »

joshstrange wrote: post #209

I’m interested to see pricing and what the backend dashboards look like for this. I’m currently using PostmarkApp for my transactional emails and they keep bumping the monthly price and my usage is tiny. If I could just pay per email that would be better. That said, I’m hosted on AWS so maybe I should look into SES as well if I’m going to replace my email sending service.

I haven't experienced any price increase on the cheapest Postmark tier over the past 3 years or so? In any case they deliver excellent service and as a business earning money and sending emails per transaction it's almost free.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by 0x457 »

mrweasel wrote: post #194
gruez wrote: post #187

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Where is this?

Denmark, there is no close Amazon warehouse, so shipping always suck. Not only is shipping times frequently a week or more, it's also overpriced and items are frequently less expensive from local online stores. Amazons only advantage is it's massive selection, if you can find what you're looking for.

In the US, it's the opposite. If you order directly from the brand, you get multi-day or more often multi-week delivery times. Unless they are using amazon logistic and which case it's the same as buying off amazon - 0/1/2-day delivery times.

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Post by toomuchtodo »

stavros wrote: post #261
6thbit wrote: post #247

> Today, we're excited to announce just that: the private beta of Email Sending, a new capability that allows you to send transactional emails directly from Cloudflare Workers. So many comments here assumed from the title they're offering a hosted email service, they aren't, they are announcing their own Sendgrid.

That's exactly why I'm excited. I could really use this.

Please blog about it if you do!

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Post by pier25 »

mfkp wrote: post #231
pier25 wrote: post #5

Great move. Will probably switch to it immediately from Sendgrid as soon as it goes GA. Sendgrid recently killed their free tier (100 emails per day) and their lowest plan is now $20/month for 50,000 emails. It's totally overkill for low traffic projects.

Zeptomail by zoho has been reliable for me and extremely reasonably priced: https://www.zoho.com/zeptomail/

This looks great. Thanks for sharing!

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by stavros »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #297
stavros wrote: post #261

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That's exactly why I'm excited. I could really use this.

Please blog about it if you do!

I can, but wouldn't that be a boring post? "I set my SMTP servers to this other thing and they still work"? :P

Or do you mean if I get access to the beta? I probably won't :(

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