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Re: Top Programming Languages 2025

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Post by raincole »

hackthemack wrote: post #2

I was pondering similar thoughts. Will LLM assistants ossify our current programming languages? My limited testing seems to show LLM assistants do well the more popular the language is (more data in its training), so is the hurdle for adoption of something new going to get even higher? In an alternate universe, if LLM only had object oriented code to train on, would anyone push programming forward in other styles?

> is the hurdle for adoption of something new going to get even higher?

Yes.

But today the only two reasons to use niche languages are[0] 1) you have existing codebases or libraries in that language 2) you're facing quite domain-specific problems where the domain experts all use that language.

In either cases you won't just use Java because LLMs are good at Java.

[0]: besides for fun or 'for resume'

Re: Top Programming Languages 2025

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Post by plainOldText »

torben-friis wrote: post #22

As a backend dev (mostly working in fintech) I feel weirdly unable to find a target language to move to. After working with Node and Ruby for a while I really miss a static type system. - Typescript was limited by its option to allow non strictness. Nothing catches my eye, as it’s either Java/.Net and its enterprisey companies or Go, which might not be old but feels like it is, by design. Rust sounds fun, but its use…

Nim is a statically typed language with a syntax resembling Python's. https://nim-lang.org/

Sometimes I'm questioning if it has the potential to become more popular in the future if AI becomes adept at translating Python projects to Nim.

Re: Top Programming Languages 2025

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Post by FrustratedMonky »

8fingerlouie wrote: post #164
bberrry wrote: post #146

Those of you surprised to see Java so prominent, where have you been all your careers? 10 people startups with nodejs backends? You must have been entirely shielded from enterprise software companies.

Java is the new COBOL. The financial sector, insurance sector, healthcare sector all jumped on Java a couple of decades ago, and they have massive repositories of Java code, and are actively migrating their COBOL code to Java.

Yeah, isn't SAP built with Java? Stodgy old big bloated. The new COBOL. Oracle/Java/SAP. Some kind of trinity of evil.

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Post by FrustratedMonky »

flanked-evergl wrote: post #150
pjmlp wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want to stay in Fintech, I really don't see anything beyond Java, C#, C++, TypeScript (for the Web stuff). Some Fintech companies might go a bit outside the norm and allow for Haskell, F#, Scala, which they tend to use as DSLs for some workflows. Then if you into array languages, banking and fintech is one fo the few domains where that have managed to stay around, but those positions seem hard to get. Dyalog (…

I work in Fintech, and we use Python with type checking. It works like a charm. Safer than Java.

How did you do typing? Was it 'hints', or some other outside option.? It always seemed to me that since it isn't baked in, that it comes down to organizational discipline.

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Post by skydhash »

louthy wrote: post #284
psychoslave wrote: post #197

> AI assistance means that programmers can concern themselves less and less with the particulars of any language. Sure. Until we need to. Then we face some apparently tiny concern, which is actually deeply intricated with the rest of this whole mess, and we are ready for a ride in the rabbit hole. > most developers today don’t pay much attention to the instruction sets and other hardware idiosyncrasies of the CPUs th…

>> most developers today don’t pay much attention to the instruction sets and other hardware idiosyncrasies of the CPUs that their code runs on, which language a program is vibe coded in ultimately becomes a minor detail. If it was even slightly true then we wouldn’t be generating language syntax at all, we’d be generating raw machine code for the chip architectures we want to support. Or even just distributing the p…

Also there’s so much patching in the kernel (for unix) to solve hardware bugs. And a lot of languages depends on C (with all its footguns) to probide that stable foundation. It’s all unseen work that are very important.

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Post by bberrry »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #293
8fingerlouie wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Java is the new COBOL. The financial sector, insurance sector, healthcare sector all jumped on Java a couple of decades ago, and they have massive repositories of Java code, and are actively migrating their COBOL code to Java.

Yeah, isn't SAP built with Java? Stodgy old big bloated. The new COBOL. Oracle/Java/SAP. Some kind of trinity of evil.

So is Netflix. Silly take

Re: Top Programming Languages 2025

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Post by wiseowise »

Traubenfuchs wrote: post #241
wiseowise wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

JS is a valid TS, Kotlin is not a valid Java (only at a bytecode level, but then you might as well combine all JVM languages).

> Kotlin is not a valid Java But you can easily have both of them in the same project (e.g. when slowly moving to kotlin) and have them interop.

It doesn’t make it valid Java. You can paste JS verbatim to TS file and it will work.
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