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Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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> Microsoft would fork it within hours and everyone would switch their upstream to Edgium. Why would people trust Microsoft more than Google, though? Even with really bad actions, switching browsers is very difficult (i.e. it requires making an active choice and change about an obscure topic) and I don't see normal people doing it, which is what would be required for this to happen. Microsoft can't get any traction f…

Edge solely exists to keep the Windows OS bundled with their own browser. My 70 year old mother doesn't want the faff of installing Firefox so Edge fits the bill. It provides for her, her needs. I've installed Firefox and it sits untouched. Microsoft doesn't care if people use it or not. It's easier and cheaper for them to integrate as Chromium does than it is to upkeep Trident. It's not their business too. My take t…

> Why they chose Chromium and not Firefox? Firefox has always been independent whereas as Microsoft is corporate as is Google. At least my take on it. I'm sure some backhand deals too.

I don't have any more insight than any other commenter, but in my estimation a major factor is how practical the browser is to fork. By the time Microsoft switched to a Chromium base for edge, creating and maintaining a Chromium fork with meaningfully different UI was fairly well-trodden ground because it had been done several times already, whereas almost nobody had forked Firefox (except for toggle some flags or keep the UI frozen in time). The one countervailing example, Brave, also switched to Chromium for similar reasons.

Additionally, this was the beginning of the arc of working overtime to court web developers that it's still in the midst of. By shuttering Chakra (the old Edge rendering engine) and switching to Blink, Microsoft improved its reputation with web devs.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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I really wish the open source projects that actually have meaningful impact on the whole industry were target of sponsorship, not the ones with good marketing, but I know how hard that is to achieve. Taking money from someone is unfortunately complicated in this society. In many cases it's easier not to even ask for sponsorship, unless you are willing to deal with the bureaucracy. Ladybird is at least fighting for di…

> Ladybird is at least fighting for diversity What does this even mean? And if it's an important part of a business model, how do you know that Omarchy isn't?

There are only a limited number of browser engines out currently and lady bird adds another, hence diversity enhancement. Omarchy is +1 more distro out of thousands, hence while making the "market" a little bit more diverse it's not a huge double-digit percentage increase in viable browser engines. Pretty straight forward.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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The hype around Omarchy is just insane.. It is not an installer script (anymore), so instead you have to download a 7GB ISO file (in the name of 'good UX') that ships with Zoom, Spotify, Hey, Basecamp, Steam, Minecraft (??), etc. but you still end up using the same package mirrors (arch's). If it was an install script, like LARBS or many others (before and after omarchy), I'd (almost) get it. If it was a derivative d…

As someone who has been running all the components of omarchy before they made it, I agree with you in spirit especially as an arch user.

But other people need an ISO and yes all those things are kinda considered standard at this point.

People like you and I aren't the target audience, but for the people who are, this is what they have been asking for.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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I have to say, a single announcement that Cloudflare is sponsoring specifically these two projects does start to look a bit like an attempt to curry favour with the grassroots part of the tech right: give “their guys” some money and praise and maybe they’ll stay off Cloudflare’s back for a bit. And to be clear, that’s not to say that it’s bad to sponsor Ladybird, or maybe even Omarchy.

Is Ladybird a tech right thing?

It kind of is, though not explicitly. If you follow Andreas on X you will see a lot of his comments and replies are either a) posting about being aggrieved about users who are mean and rude on BlueSky or b) Amplifying traditional family values, right wing beliefs, etc, in a somewhat indirect way. He seems to be too cautious to outright say anything, but it’s obvious by the company he keeps.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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The hype around Omarchy is just insane.. It is not an installer script (anymore), so instead you have to download a 7GB ISO file (in the name of 'good UX') that ships with Zoom, Spotify, Hey, Basecamp, Steam, Minecraft (??), etc. but you still end up using the same package mirrors (arch's). If it was an install script, like LARBS or many others (before and after omarchy), I'd (almost) get it. If it was a derivative d…

Omarchy iso is literally 2 minutes from boot from usb to a productive pc

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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I never thought he of all people would go there !!!

Yes Britian is changing -like the US will be where minorities will outnumber the white population - I am a minority living in a black country, the same one where Elon was born and really it is not as scary :).

Totally irrational fear - they need to think seriously about themselves.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Servo was a side-project. Mozilla laid off the Servo team. Its development then stopped. It eventually found a home in Linux Foundation but it lost the initial acceleration. It lost the ambition. Many key developers moved on. Whatever nature your project is, closed or open source, when you lose key people and stop training new ones, the project slowly dies. People matter much much more than the license or the parent…

There is a leader with a strong vision sure, but how long will he stick with it? We’ve seen him completely abandon a few projects now.

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Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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You must not have read his blog post from last week. It was of coursed flagged off the front page earlier today. Wouldn't want people reading dhh's own words or anything.

You know the 10 paragraph+ rant about how Britain isnt white anymore. I mean "full of native Brits" which by his own words were based on appearances "walking down the street".

I'll take my licks now.

Nice first post, by the way!

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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To add to this, Apple’s share of the control is minimal and precarious. A timeline where Google is the sole web engine authority could easily become reality and is even likely. Hedging on a promising upstart makes a lot of sense.

Google doesn't have control of Chromium though. The source is available and it is permissively licensed. If they did something truly onerous, Microsoft would fork it within hours and everyone would switch their upstream to Edgium. The only reason Google calls the shots is because they pour billions of dollars into maintaining Chromium. The fact that they can do that (and even fund Firefox at the same time) is because…

Anyone who tries to push changes to Chromium will quickly find Google does control it.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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The hype around Omarchy is just insane.. It is not an installer script (anymore), so instead you have to download a 7GB ISO file (in the name of 'good UX') that ships with Zoom, Spotify, Hey, Basecamp, Steam, Minecraft (??), etc. but you still end up using the same package mirrors (arch's). If it was an install script, like LARBS or many others (before and after omarchy), I'd (almost) get it. If it was a derivative d…

I am pretty sure all the stuff is optional and the main point is having everything like drivers working right away instead of looking for solutions yourself

That's something most distros do already, or at least try to. Good default setup and working drivers Ubuntu aimed for a decade ago. So that would not be exciting.

Maybe it's more about the willingness to include software other distros see critically and would not include by default, like docker.

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