and why do we trust gavi?
Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out
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Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out
#292If you're living in the US: please consider getting the vaccine, ragardless of your age. It was covered by my (rather shitty) health insurance. It consists of just 2 (EDIT: 3 for adults!) doses. It is recommended for both Males and Females.
In Denmark its not recommended for women over a certain age. So please don’t get it regardless of age. Its not really considered effective for women who have been sexually active for some time. Which is why its only recommended for girls, not women. https://www.ssi.dk/vaccinationer/boernevaccination/vaccinati... . Tldr; Dont rush to get a vaccine that is probably not effective for you. Make an appointment with your d…
There is many different strains of HPV, the likelihood of already have contracted them all is small. It will still protect you against strains you don't have. It also protects against genital warts. The vaccionation program targets young girls because thats the most efficient time to take it and has highest benefit/cost. You will still reap benefits of taking it later.
I dont see any reason not to take if you get it for free and you are planning to be sexually active with multiple different partners.
Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out
#293If you're living in the US: please consider getting the vaccine, ragardless of your age. It was covered by my (rather shitty) health insurance. It consists of just 2 (EDIT: 3 for adults!) doses. It is recommended for both Males and Females.
That is a truly naïve way of thinking about a pharmaceutical product. Would you say the same about any other drug? What about blood pressure medicines, should everyone "consider getting it"? Completely ignorant, you have to consider multiple factors for the individual before taking any pharmaceutical drug and then you have to consider the risk from the drug, yes, low and behold, even vaccines can give side effects! T…
Apples and oranges. Blood pressure medicine is for people who have hypertension, and not everyone does. And hypertension is not contagious.
Conversely, almost every adult over 45 is carrying some form of HPV and a few of those forms cause cancer. If any of those adults has unprotected sex with someone without HPV who is unvaccinated, they almost certainly will transmit the virus. Even if condoms are used, HPV can still be transmitted. This is a much more contagious virus than HIV.
The HPV vaccine is both extremely safe and extremely effective. Suggesting that every human consider getting the vaccine -- with appropriate consultation with their healthcare provider -- is sound advice.
Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out
#294Earlier quoted context omitted.
"this was pre- antivaxxer anxiety" - It was really, really not. Another thing to keep in mind was that the initial trials were only using cervical cancer endpoints - the association between HOV infection and cervical cancer is really strong. At that time, vaccinating boys provided only indirect protection (you couldn't infect a female partner), rather than direct protection (you won't be infected) in the context of c…
> Women prior to sexual debut were the biggest "bang for the buck" and the obvious first recommendation target. It was a stupid decision to leave out the boys. I mean hindsight is 20/20, but if heterosexual women were getting cervical cancer from HPV, and HPV is spread by sexual activity, then vaccinating the boys along with the girls would have been the logical thing to do in order to stop the spread. I assume this…
They had and still have no test for males.
So this is more about the inflexibility of our recommendation process and how insurers are tied to the regulatory agencies.
The logic makes sense but its about who is paying for administering to the carriers. Or what was initially seen as just carriers.
Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out
#295And I can't get the shot in Germany because I'm "too old" and just assumed to be infected with it already, anyway. What a great system.
Sort of similar in most EU countries. I could get it in Austria but it's prohibitively expensive.
Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out
#296It’s insane to think that someday humanity will finally find a cure for cancer, and then after all this money and research and struggle people will just… choose not to use it.
A cure is a treatment, a vaccine is a prophylactic. The most dangerous, by far, cancer that this would help mitigate is cervical cancer which makes up about 0.7% of cancer deaths in the US, exclusively amongst women. The overwhelming majority of cervical cancers occur in Africa due to the fact that HIV/AIDS dramatically increases your susceptibility to developing it.
> The overwhelming majority of cervical cancers occur in Africa due to the fact that HIV/AIDS dramatically increases your susceptibility to developing it.
Considering we're talking about a sexually transmitted disease, the much higher prevalence in Africa of having multiple simultaneous sexual partners is surely relevant.
Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out
#297Earlier quoted context omitted.
You should think about how you would react to “you can tell a lot about the qualities of a society by the way they [detain people on Nauru | reject asyl seekers | don’t care for indigenous populations]”. I feel your comment is a generalisation and could be construed as provocation/trolling. Probably not your intention, but just so you are aware how this is coming over. Better maybe: “societies that have good health c…
No one mentioned the US before you did.
It might be a cultural misunderstanding. It isn't a big deal. It's tricky because while we are using the same language we don't all share the same culture and influences.
Perhaps it is less common to say positive things about other countries in the US unless you are making some point about domestic politics. Sometimes I am deeply critical of the USA but this wasn't one of those times.
So just to be really clear eradication of HPV and by extension elimination of some forms of cancer is a really noble thing for humanity to be doing and is being pursued by many countries, including ones that aren't as privileged and wealthy as Australia and Denmark. It's a group that historically included the USA which clearly means there are people there who deeply care about this stuff as well.
The people who oppose public health programs like this are just evil in my opinion wherever they are.
Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out
#298Earlier quoted context omitted.
Although you are (as I understand) right, the question itself is valid, lots of diseases spread to species other than the one that is in the name… Chickenpox, monkeypox, swine flu, or even the Spanish flu.
Lots of diseases are potentially zoonotic. When diseases have animals in the name, it often just refers to zoonosis itself (except of course chickenpox). But when diseases or parasites have human in there name, it's almost always because it's a disease that only effects humans.
Note that there was a human flea, but it's extinct. The fleas you might actually find on a human are dog fleas.
Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out
#299And I can't get the shot in Germany because I'm "too old" and just assumed to be infected with it already, anyway. What a great system.
Many doctors in Germany stick very closely to the recommendations of the Stiko (standing committee on vaccinations) and take a lot of convincing to vaccinate more, or they outright refuse. It's really annoying.
My health insure only covers HPV vaccines for 26 year olds and younger: https://www.sbk.org/beratung-leistungen/vorsorge-und-praeven...
Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out
#300Earlier quoted context omitted.
There will never be a single cure to all cancers. Different cancers have different underlying mechanisms and affect different tissues.
Maybe. The fact that some animals are especially immune to cancers suggest there are ways to prevent the outcome (cell replication/mutation).
Are they immune to cancer, or do they simply not live long enough to develop them? AFAIK, only plants are immune to cancer.