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Re: Linux phones are more important now than ever

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Post by rkomorn »

bonoboTP wrote: post #280
meiuqer wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean by 'Belgium is not a nation state', if i may ask?

They probably mean that Belgium consists of French-speaking and Dutch-speaking (and German-speaking) groups, which the person counts as separate nations, hence Belgium not being one nation. This is mostly a language confusion for non-native English speakers. Nation, country, state, a people, nationality, ethnicity, citizenship etc. are used in confusing ways for speakers of other languages. For many, "nation state" j…

I think you're spot on with this:

> ... because just saying "state" could mean a subdivision, such as a US state ...

Re: Linux phones are more important now than ever

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Post by Panzer04 »

What's the hardest part about an open phone? Cellular support? App support?

Maybe I'm unique, but nowadays 99% of my phone time is spent in a browser. If anything, it seems easier now to get something like this going because all you'd need is a bare bones UI and a good web browser.

Sure, it's not competitive with a Samsung foldable, but he I've gotta start somewhere...

I do sort of wonder if an x86-based phone is at all a reasonable prospect. It seems a bit weird to go backwards but at least they've sorted out the generally open ecosystem part XD. Power consumption is 99% about the software anyway.

Re: Linux phones are more important now than ever

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Post by nicman23 »

mschuster91 wrote: post #282
nicman23 wrote: post #228

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i mean yeah but you cannot do shit all about a vps. commercial vpns yeah you can ban and monitor. a vps is your own device just elsewhere

> i mean yeah but you cannot do shit all about a vps Of course you can. The AS numbers of major hosting providers are well known and it is already common practice to ban associated IP addresses for stuff that should only be done by legitimate users.

you cannot ban aws or linenode my dude

Re: Linux phones are more important now than ever

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Post by Freak_NL »

_heimdall wrote: post #69
bakugo wrote: post #63

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> I don't mind banks requiring it, I don't have to use that bank. What if all banks require it?

Banks aren't required. Its ridiculously inconvenient today to not have a bank account, but you aren't required to have one.

They are required for just about everyone in a lot of countries. In the Netherlands a bank account is actually a right¹, and as far as the tax authority is concerned, required.

1: https://www.belastingdienst.nl/wps/wcm/connect/nl/intermedia...

Re: Linux phones are more important now than ever

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Post by type0 »

cranberryturkey wrote: post #215
VariousPrograms wrote: post #116

As someone willing to put up with all manner of nonsense (overpriced/underpowered hardware, clunky UI, endless troubleshooting), battery life on mobile Linux devices alone prevents me from using them in the real world. Is there a single Linux phone/tablet that can last an 8 hour day of actual use? Librem/Pinephone/Juno can't. My uConsole can't. Different category, but my MNT mini laptop lasts like 4 hours and can't b…

My HP laptop lasts 2 hours running linux. My macbook air m4 lasts 12 hours.

apples to oranges

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Post by franga2000 »

mr_mitm wrote: post #246
godelski wrote: post #188

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In some sense they are. But being protected either from a consequence of my own stupidity or a consequence of their lack of security. I think the worst part of all is that these "bandaids" are being used in place of actual security. I don't need to be protected from my own stupidity nor do I need security theater.

I think the threat model here is that a different, malicious app (compromised, installed accidentally or by the means of social engineering) might take screenshots of your screen and forward them to take advantage of you. You can file this under one's "own stupidity" as well, sure, but in the end they're not protecting you, they're protecting themselves, because banks might be liable for these kind of things, and by…

I see this argument everywhere and I've never heard of a case where a bank was liable because a customer was phished. I've even asked for examples and nobody ever provided them.

It's one thing to argue in court that they should be liable because they didn't provide you with the necessary security tools (like MFA), but they all provide at least SMS 2FA these days and their apps run on iOS and Android, both of which have plenty of security features.

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Post by type0 »

_heimdall wrote: post #69
bakugo wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't mind banks requiring it, I don't have to use that bank. What if all banks require it?

Banks aren't required. Its ridiculously inconvenient today to not have a bank account, but you aren't required to have one.

So so, housing isn't required and no one requires you to buy food either

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Post by nicman23 »

microtonal wrote: post #189
nicman23 wrote: post #173

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run a custom rom. Infinity X (the gsi one) does both

Custom ROMs do not work with remote attestation (typically), so that means saying bye bye to a lot of apps, including some banking apps.

please research before spreading missinformation. the specific gsi rom passes strong out of the box

Re: Linux phones are more important now than ever

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Post by raxxorraxor »

Panzer04 wrote: post #292

What's the hardest part about an open phone? Cellular support? App support? Maybe I'm unique, but nowadays 99% of my phone time is spent in a browser. If anything, it seems easier now to get something like this going because all you'd need is a bare bones UI and a good web browser. Sure, it's not competitive with a Samsung foldable, but he I've gotta start somewhere... I do sort of wonder if an x86-based phone is at…

I almost exclusively use the browser as well. I think the reason for that is simply because the software landscape is that bad. I hate the Playstore or Apple Store with a burning passion. They are all adware/malware nightmares that aren't worth the effort, never mind developing for them.

We have really interesting and good hardware, but it is all moot because the software landscape is plain hell. I really puts me off to ever use a Apple or Google platform.

I would immediately jump to x86 regardless of power consumption. Would probably still run better than my current phone with a sizeable battery because 95% of CPU time is crappy routine you didn't even want running, so that is a software problem as well.

With the power usage of screens, I doubt an x86 processor would be noticeably worse.

Sorry for the rant, but I don't understand how anyone could react differently if they hear the word Android or iOS. Why did we end up with this crap?

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Post by freefaler »

rickdeckard wrote: post #225
frankzander wrote: post #195

What I don't get (plz help me) is why out of a sudden this vendors close up their phones and why is Google going this way? What's their intend?

Less conspiratorial answer: Bootloader unlock removal: It's actually not happening all of a sudden. The dam-breaking moment is more that Samsung, the number #1 Android vendor, decided to stop supporting it. The vendors stop maintaining bootloader-unlocking methods because the cost/benefit profile to develop/maintain/support that feature and its consequences is simply not sufficient, all while several of the biggest c…

The government is also keen to have these devices controlled more tightly. Now with the help of the big companies so much data is on the device and in the cloud about you that policy enforcement, tax evasion or anything else that the people in the government deemed crucial for them is much more easily done.

Check how China controls the Uyghurs phones and will they be happy to have "unlocked bootloaders".

It's not profitable for the companies to lose total control of "your" device you "bough", nor for software developers who sell you the software to have "ReVanced" versions of their apps. Just a small minority of people who understand what is freedom and ownership are aware of the dangers of this.

Basically, not enough people care to have this as a priority and make it an election issue. And sadly we're walking into more and more control, ads, and enshitification. :(

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