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EPA Seeks to Eliminate Critical PFAS Drinking Water Protections

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Re: EPA Seeks to Eliminate Critical PFAS Drinking Water Protections

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Post by bee_rider »

chung8123 wrote: post #33
Apreche wrote: post #7

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This debate style is pretty frustrating to me. Use a talking point for the other side and act like it is why the reason it the decision is made. It really does not lend itself to getting to the root of issues and finding what compromise is. In my opinion this added nothing to the conversation when in theory the op asked for a real answer.

I think it is just venting, rather than debate. Realistically we’re locked in for about a year and a half of full Republican control of every branch of government before literally anything at all can be changed (and even then the main achievable goal for the midterms would be for Democrats to take the House, right? Which gives them at least some ability to do some oversight, but is pretty limited).

Re: EPA Seeks to Eliminate Critical PFAS Drinking Water Protections

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Post by Workaccount2 »

throwaway5752 wrote: post #263
Workaccount2 wrote: post #226

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Cane sugar and corn syrup are both just sugar. Your health isn't going to be any better drinking cane sugar coke than corn syrup coke. The reason corn syrup is demonized is because it is cheap, enabling lots of foods to pack sugar without much cost. The health concerns remain consistent across all forms of sugar.

Incorrect. There is more fructose in HFCS used in Coke, HFCS 55. Fructose is metabolized in the liver, and stored as fat there. Glucose is directly metabolized by cells throughout the body. Also there is no single reason that HFCS is demonized, there are multiple good reasons why it is harmful in the US. It is also not a singular cause to all US diet related pathologies. Staying on topic, the chemicals the EPA will n…

Corn syrup is 55% fructose and sugar is 50%. Functionally they are the same.

Even if coke was made with organic wild honey, it would still be awful for you.

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Post by ajmurmann »

giantg2 wrote: post #243
BoredPositron wrote: post #238

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The pipes are also bad governance. If they are your own pipes you certainly can opt for filtration instead of replacing them but as I said sounds like a band-aid.

Show me a nation with perfectly maintained pipes that doesn't use chlorine etc. If you can't show me that, then your proposed solution is invalid.

In Germany chlorine is used to treat water in the plant but it's removed before it goes into the pipe. There is a tiny residue but that's residue and not intentional to prevent issues with the pipes.

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Post by forgotoldacc »

estebarb wrote: post #34

I understand that these dumb decisions are mostly profit motivated. But nobody stops to think that the reaction abroad may be: do not eat anything produced at USA?

I'm an American who's been living outside the US for a very long time. I always check where food is from at the grocery store before I buy it. Whenever possible, the US is one of a few countries where I avoid almost all ingredients. When it comes to meat, it's a 100% absolute refusal to purchase. The quality is so different that the taste is immediately obvious, and it's not good.

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Post by traceroute66 »

Insanity wrote: post #82
estebarb wrote: post #34

I understand that these dumb decisions are mostly profit motivated. But nobody stops to think that the reaction abroad may be: do not eat anything produced at USA?

In EU we by and large don’t eat what America produces though. The same products like Doritos etc will have different ingredients in EU compared to US. US typically gets the cheaper and worse option (less safe). Same for American coke w/ Cane Sugar instead of actual sugar. Americans will regularly consume chemicals that are potentially carcinogenic and banned in EU. EDIT: I meant high fructose corn syrup, not cane sug…

> In EU we by and large don’t eat what America produces though.

The trouble is you do still find US products, and they should be avoided like the plague.

US-grown nuts for example. Pesticides galore.....

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Post by vel0city »

zdragnar wrote: post #180
AHatLikeThat wrote: post #154

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I'd argue the insurance companies prefer to collect premiums and not treat people.

Then you'd be wrong. Insurance companies are limited to the amount they can collect without paying back out. It's a fixed percentage. That means the more expensive treatment gets, the higher they can raise rates, and the more revenue they get from that fixed percentage.

> Then you'd be wrong. Insurance companies are limited to the amount they can collect without paying back out.

So they go buy the providers and clinics and pharmacies so they can raise the prices and juice that percentage.

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Post by hedora »

ReptileMan wrote: post #240
sunsetSamurai wrote: post #196

Elections have consequences, many people say both sides are the same, but there's one side that constantly does things like this, on top of giving tax cuts to rich people that need it the least. Please go vote on 2028 if you don't want more of this.

>Please go vote on 2028 if you don't want more of this. Or if you want more of this also go vote.

If you want more of this, please vote in 2027 and 2029 instead.

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Post by Insanity »

DoctorOetker wrote: post #181
natebc wrote: post #121

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> Same for American coke w/ Cane Sugar instead of actual sugar. American Coke is sweetened with Corn Syrup. Maybe it's just me being a dumb American probably fooled by some green washing but isn't Cane Sugar better? What's "actual sugar" in the EU?

no opinion on the rest, but at least in western europe, "normal" white sugar derives from sugar beets.

Yeah, beet sugar is the “standard” to me. That said I meant to say “high fructose corn syrup” in my original post.

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Post by overfeed »

hobs wrote: post #116
thrance wrote: post #54

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What's up to debate here? It's crystal clear: they removed important health regulations so that a few companies could make slightly more money not having to clean up after themselves. What's not to hate there?

The problem is people are so trained that there must be both sides to every issue and you must steel man every other debater when sometimes the guy is coming at you with a knife. There's no two sides to deregulating every business to poison us all, its just profit over people in the most direct and obvious way. There's no complex plan, there's no 4d chess, its just a transparent power grab for ideologues that really…

> The problem is people are so trained that there must be both sides to every issue

Other people are culture warrior and intentionally poison the well (pun nit originally intended) so their side doesn't look bad, because the discussion has devolved into an ideological spat and not about the topic at hand

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

zzzeek wrote: post #287
avazhi wrote: post #272

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> the US Government is making the decisions they are in order to crush the population into submission. Now we have what you're really trying to get at here: some tinfoil hat conspiratorialising where the US government is out to mind control/'crush' its population (or something). At least if you aren't telling me to read a subversive Socialist novel instead of just saying it outright it saves us both the time of tryin…

this all just says you're not really reading much about what's going on right now, or you're only reading right wing news sources there is broad consensus among academics and journalists who study/cover authoritarianism that that's exactly what this is. it has a predictable path. this includes that individual authoritarians don't have to understand what they're doing at all. Trump does what he does due to deep narcis…

Someone making decisions “in order to crush the population into submission” definitely does have to understand what he’s doing. That’s what “in order to” means. Indeed, the public has to understand it too; how else will someone with a PFAS-weakened immune system know who they’re supposed to submit to?
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