This is the worst kind of censorship. I guess debate is also dead.
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Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah
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#292People who get excited enough about politics in this country to shoot someone are stupid. Love him or hate him, Charlie is just somebody's puppet. If you see them on twitter or television, they are puppets. Puppeteers are smart enough to stay out of the spotlight. There is only one person in recent memory who was smart enough to go after a puppeteer.
Who was the one person in recent memory to go after a puppeteer??
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#293Am I wrong in thinking this guy isn't/wasn't a very influential person, outside of Twitter and the people that stay on there 24/7? If so, why even target the poor guy? What change was the person who shot him hoping to elicit? Either way, I hope he makes it, even though it looks like it was a fatal blow
even if he s not that famous outside US, he might be targeted to send a message
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#294Things are not healthy in the USA, and have not been for a long time. It's all about scoring points now, owning the other side, getting soundbites, etc. It's sad that it's progressed to this. From an outsider, it really feels like there's no middle ground in American politics. You either commit yourself to the full slate of beliefs for one side, or you're the "enemy". I hope that Americans on both side start to see t…
I don't think most people are on either extreme, but the media does make it seem that way, along with reddit/twitter/bluesky etc.
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There aren't any instances of politically motivated violence within a society increasing its fairness or plurality. That happens only when a large majority view it as desirable and worth risking harm for. Right now the US, Turkey and Poland are relatively evenly split between those who want more pluralism at the price of a decaying status quo, and those willing to discard that pluralism to fight what they view as existential threats to their society. They might not be wrong about the threats, but discarding political freedoms selectively doesn't work. The point is that in a polarized context, political violence only decreases pluralism, no matter who is better at killing. This political violence becoming self reinforcing is just as deadly to our democracy as a failure of judicial independence. The way back involves climbing out of echo chambers and having calm rational conversations with people who hold views you find incomprehensible. So that you can comprehend them. What are they worried about that drives their priorities? Don't dismiss those worries. The majority in any society want fairness and rule of law and to be able to meet their needs. The minority get us disagreeing on how those common goals should be pursued so that they can prevent it happening. Go find some grounds for agreement.
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#296We are a society whose culture has become unmoored from the values that built it.
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#297It's been a few hours since the shooting and no suspect is in custody. I wonder if he/she/they will ever be caught?
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#298The NSFW video is haunting, don’t watch it. I feel literally sick.
many are desensitized, for anyone reading, if you consider yourself that way it’s not haunting or giving feelings of sickness, it depicts a predictable outcome of a high powered shot that hits an artery in a neck. No ability or physical capability for your body to react no matter who you are.
It is graphic and shows how fragile we are, how it will go down if you are in that situation
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#299Am I wrong in thinking this guy isn't/wasn't a very influential person, outside of Twitter and the people that stay on there 24/7? If so, why even target the poor guy? What change was the person who shot him hoping to elicit? Either way, I hope he makes it, even though it looks like it was a fatal blow
>> Twitter and the people that stay on there 24/7
That is a lot of people
Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah
#300Am I wrong in thinking this guy isn't/wasn't a very influential person, outside of Twitter and the people that stay on there 24/7? If so, why even target the poor guy? What change was the person who shot him hoping to elicit? Either way, I hope he makes it, even though it looks like it was a fatal blow
As a practical question: it would be useful to have a transcript of his final speech, on a page without any graphic images of his death.