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Tesla market share in US drops to lowest since 2017

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Re: Tesla market share in US drops to lowest since 2017

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post #277

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> The current crop of Teslas don’t even have physical controls for reverse. ... Wait, seriously? Like, you have to _use the touch screen to put it in reverse_? That can't possibly be the case.

Yes. This has now infected all models.

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My wife thinks they all look like jellybeans. Tesla makes them like that to maximize efficiency, and they’re still #1 on that metric, but people don’t care about that.

The new Prius has a similar coefficient of drag as a Tesla Model 3 but the Prius manages to look a LOT better.

The 2024 Prius has a drag coefficient of 0.27 (slightly worse than the previous generation's 0.26), which compares poorly with the Model 3's 0.22.

Re: Tesla market share in US drops to lowest since 2017

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“Tesla sales rose 7% even as market share fell”. So they’re still selling more cars, but there’s hotter EV competition. I thought that was the goal.

> > I thought that was the goal. It was the goal to say it out loud to the press and on twitter to gain sympathy and stand tall on the moral high ground.

No i mean the goal that private companies and public policy makers are aligned to expand EV market share. Billions (almost trillions) are being blown to make that happen.

Re: Tesla market share in US drops to lowest since 2017

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post #35

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Again, politics aside, I just find the lineup boring. Every model outside the Cybertruck looks like a ten year old car. Even the refresh of the model Y is still reskinning a design language started with the Model S, but with any interesting soul stripped out to reduce cost. The nerd in me loves the technology, particularly behind the scenes features of the Cybertruck like 48v architecture. In the end I want to drive…

My wife thinks they all look like jellybeans. Tesla makes them like that to maximize efficiency, and they’re still #1 on that metric, but people don’t care about that.

With a coefficient of 0.219, they're not even in the top 10 on that metric. China seems to be making the most aerodynamic cars now:

0.191 Dongfeng Xinghai S7

0.194 XPeng Mona M03

0.195 Xiaomi SU7 Pro

0.197 Lucid Air Pure

I'm looking forward to the Mona coming to Europe next year https://cnevpost.com/2025/09/09/xpeng-launch-mona-series-eur...

Re: Tesla market share in US drops to lowest since 2017

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Yes. This has now infected all models.

No, it’s not. There are buttons on the roof area (where the interior lights and hazard button are) that have the PRND buttons. Also, all the new models have an auto shift functionality so you don’t even really have to use any buttons at all.

> Also, all the new models have an auto shift functionality so you don’t even really have to use any buttons at all.

This seems utterly insane. It’s already annoying that tapping somewhere on a phone screen has a different effect depending on whether I win or lose the race against some UI update. I do not want my rather heavy vehicle to move in a different direction depending on which way the computer thinks I want it to move.

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> it was a lot nicer than a mustang Mach e Having owned both, I’m not even sure where to begin with how laughably inaccurate that is. We can start at functioning automatic wipers, 360 degree cameras, parking assist that actually works, a knob to control stereo volume, accurate marketing numbers for range, a dealership network that actually will fix the issue, insurance that isn’t insane, headlight brights that actual…

> parking assist that actually works Are you sure you owned both? You're sort of exposing yourself as never having owned a Tesla at all (at least not a new one). I've never experienced phantom braking in my Y (although I have in a ford escort), and the headlight dimming is pretty good (again in the new model Y, unsure about an old one). Niceness is subjective, so I suppose it's inappropriate to declare it as nicer, b…

A base Model Y costs $18,000 more than a base Camry when the price is not being artificially lowered by the government. Different price range entirely.

Re: Tesla market share in US drops to lowest since 2017

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post #296

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No, it’s not. There are buttons on the roof area (where the interior lights and hazard button are) that have the PRND buttons. Also, all the new models have an auto shift functionality so you don’t even really have to use any buttons at all.

> Also, all the new models have an auto shift functionality so you don’t even really have to use any buttons at all. This seems utterly insane. It’s already annoying that tapping somewhere on a phone screen has a different effect depending on whether I win or lose the race against some UI update. I do not want my rather heavy vehicle to move in a different direction depending on which way the computer thinks I want i…

You don't have to use it if you don't want to. You can turn it off and just use the headliner buttons only. Also, the vehicle is not moving when you don't want it to. The brake and accelerator pedals still function and it should be abundantly obvious if it's in reverse vs. drive, given the backup camera is on vs. off.

In practice, everything I've seen is that it works well, and predictably does what you expect it to do. And if it doesn't, you are one swipe away from fixing that.

Re: Tesla market share in US drops to lowest since 2017

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post #159

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Nah, they're still the best cars you can buy[1]. It's all down to Musk's political antics. [1] Seriously, it's hard to be lacking in innovation when other brands still don't even have walk-up unlock or 360° cameras, much less drive themselves around or launch like rockets. And the repairability thing is a meme from back when they had part production lag due to crazy scaling. Getting a Tesla fixed now (and yes, I have…

Tesla was not first to market for keyless entry, 360 cameras, nor level 2 ADAS. In fact, they are behind. A couple of automakers are now shipping level 3 ADS systems.

> keyless entry, 360 cameras, nor level 2 ADAS

It's the only non-luxury brand I'm aware of with all of those features. Who are you thinking about?

Also you're misdirecting: "keyless entry" isn't remotely the same as "your phone is your key".

And the "level 2 ADAS" business is a transparent attempt to troll an FSD argument to which won't engage except to say, again, that the user experience of letting your car drive a 200 mile leg of a long road trip is also not remotely the same as always bouncing around and stomping on brakes experience of the lanekeeping offered elsewhere.

You know both of these truths, which is why you want to redefine the features to make them false.

Re: Tesla market share in US drops to lowest since 2017

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post #70

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Musk has said he didn't see a market or need for an affordable car, so any reduction in battery cost is just profit for them

What he actually thinks is that autonomous vehicles would collapse the car market. That's why he things that. So literally he killed the affordable 'Model 2' because self driving would destroy 80% of the market and if that was true there wasn't demand. So he decided to only focus on 'RoboTaxi'.

I feel like this is an error in his thinking.

People really want to own cars. That won’t change even if taxis are ubiquitous and cheap.

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