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Re: The GitHub website is slow on Safari

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Post by guappa » Thu, Aug 28, 2025, 9:16 AM UTC

gloosx wrote: post #132

adithyassekhar wrote: post #95

This thread has really opened my eyes to how much the world hates react developers, I am one. Unrealistic timelines, implementing what should be backend logic in frontend, there's a bunch of ways SPA's tend to be a trap. Was react a bad idea? Can anyone point to a single well made react app?

> a single well made react app What about Slack, the messenger? Umm, Discord? SoundCloud? Trello? Bandcamp? Spotify? If I keep going there are actually hundreds and thousands of well-made react apps.

> What about Slack, the messenger?

You call it well made? I'm sorry for you, you must really live a really harsh life.

Re: The GitHub website is slow on Safari

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Post by guappa » Thu, Aug 28, 2025, 9:17 AM UTC

TheDong wrote: post #280

gloosx wrote: post #132

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> a single well made react app What about Slack, the messenger? Umm, Discord? SoundCloud? Trello? Bandcamp? Spotify? If I keep going there are actually hundreds and thousands of well-made react apps.

Slack on my machine is currently taking ~1GiB of memory and 3% cpu to do nothing. My irc client is taking 60MiB of memory and 0.01% cpu. My IRC client is responsive and faster, it has more configurable notification settings. I like the irc client more. > Bandcamp I just went to the bandcamp page and it indeed loaded very quickly. As far as I can tell, there's no react in use anywhere so I guess that's why. What do yo…

I use localslackirc, so I can be on battery rather long.

Re: The GitHub website is slow on Safari

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Post by siva7 » Thu, Aug 28, 2025, 9:17 AM UTC

PedroBatista wrote: post #11

The Github website is slow everywhere. It is truly a piece of shit software both in terms of performance but also UX/UI and everything in between. It's a product of many cooks and their brilliant ideas and KPIs, a social network for devs and code being the most "brilliant" of them all. For day to day dev operations is something so mediocre even Gitlab looks like the golden standard compared to Github. And no, the pro…

I once worked with an CTO who was under the impression that Rails was a major reason why the legacy app was so slow and demanded a rewrite in Java (that's what he knew). It deflected the real reasons - of completely incompetent product managers, management and inexperienced developers. The tech stack wouldn't matter if the product was being managed for over a decade by idiots.

Re: The GitHub website is slow on Safari

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Post by guappa » Thu, Aug 28, 2025, 9:19 AM UTC

walthamstow wrote: post #35

mtmail wrote: post #30

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I still see a little "try the new experience" link on the PR diff page (top right of page) so the rollout might be gradual. I won't click.

I am such a masochist that I actually click those buttons. If it's good, great, if it's shit, I have time to adjust before they foist it upon me anyway

I prefer to delay the pain as much as possible instead

Re: The GitHub website is slow on Safari

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Post by guappa » Thu, Aug 28, 2025, 9:20 AM UTC

Atotalnoob wrote: post #235

const_cast wrote: post #232

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I don't think so, I think the problem is their devs work on tiny play pretend codebases or micro service architecture. GitHub is big software, but not that big. Huge monorepos and big big diffs grind GitHub to a pulp.

GitHub runs a mostly monolithic architecture

So? You can still do a PR of 1 line and the diff will only show that 1 line.

Re: The GitHub website is slow on Safari

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Post by guappa » Thu, Aug 28, 2025, 9:26 AM UTC

bigtones wrote: post #251

whstl wrote: post #216

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What's that, a Github employee? Not really, I'm in an YC startup. But I guess the problem is that every single development position has been converging into this. The only times in my career as a developer where I was 100% happy was when there was no career PM. Sales, customers, end-users, an engineering manager, another manager, a business owner, a random employee, some rando right out the street... All of those wer…

If the PM was also an ex-developer and has both product management and development skills this happens a lot less. When the PM knows the Engineering and complexity and code debt cost of shipping a feature then they can self-triage with that additional information and choose not to send it to the developers or to consult with dev and scale it back to something more managable. Its these professional PM's that have done…

What about PMs that were developers but were awful at it and just played the politics game to get that promotion and never have to see code ever again?

Re: The GitHub website is slow on Safari

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Post by whstl » Thu, Aug 28, 2025, 9:40 AM UTC

guappa wrote: post #296

bigtones wrote: post #251

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If the PM was also an ex-developer and has both product management and development skills this happens a lot less. When the PM knows the Engineering and complexity and code debt cost of shipping a feature then they can self-triage with that additional information and choose not to send it to the developers or to consult with dev and scale it back to something more managable. Its these professional PM's that have done…

What about PMs that were developers but were awful at it and just played the politics game to get that promotion and never have to see code ever again?

I worked with a few of those where it was horrible, because they were incompetent and unwilling to work to improve across all disciplines. But that says more about the individuals.

IMO "Knowing enough to do damage" is the worst possible situation.

A regular user who's a domain expert is 100x a better PO.

Re: The GitHub website is slow on Safari

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Post by blu3h4t » Thu, Aug 28, 2025, 9:44 AM UTC

Maybe somewhat off topic but my GitHub app on an iPhone haven’t been updating the feed for a few months now, so no have relogged earlier but still the same. Edit: could it have something to do with lockdown mode or how is it called now.

Re: The GitHub website is slow on Safari

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Post by jeroenhd » Thu, Aug 28, 2025, 9:49 AM UTC

ksherlock wrote: post #163

shepherdjerred wrote: post #158

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Couldn’t you install Chrome or Firefox?

Firefox 115 is the last version that runs on 10.12, 10.13, and 10.14 (also Windows 7 and 8). At this point 115 is 2 years old and GitHub is only tested on bleeding edge browsers, apparently. So GitHub is usable but there are a number of UI layout issues and searching within a file is sometimes a mess (eg, highlighting the wrong text, rendering text incorrectly, etc. maybe that's true for all browsers. you're better o…

Does that change anything compared to running an old version of Safari that's also extremely slow because of a bug to boot? Modern websites are broken on abandoned browsers anyway, but if you install a less-abandoned browser you'll have a better experience on average.

Firefox doesn't work on Windows 7 anymore but installing Firefox is still a hell of a lot better than sticking to IE.

Re: The GitHub website is slow on Safari

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Post by iamsaitam » Thu, Aug 28, 2025, 10:00 AM UTC

adithyassekhar wrote: post #95

This thread has really opened my eyes to how much the world hates react developers, I am one. Unrealistic timelines, implementing what should be backend logic in frontend, there's a bunch of ways SPA's tend to be a trap. Was react a bad idea? Can anyone point to a single well made react app?

It's one of those cases where it only get's noticed when it's bad. It's also easy to hate on web technologies since everyone get's to use them everyday (larger user base). But most important of all, it makes people feel good about themselves hating on a technology used lot of times by people who are just starting out with programming. Gatekeeping at its best.