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4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by spooky_deep »

sunshine-o wrote: post #183
lokar wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I disapprove of what the gov is doing here, I think it’s incorrect and unhelpful to put all the blame on them. AIUI, the UK is a democracy and these policies are generally supported by the voters.

I understand the people might wanna block porn on their kids mobile internet and home WiFi. So why don't they mandate their ISP to implement this as an optional feature ? Why do they instead try to boil the ocean by going after every website on the planet and outside of their jurisdiction?

The ISPs already do this. Most mobile networks are even opt-out, not in, to this feature. The new law is unnecessary overreach. They either don’t know what they are doing technically (alarming) or are just authoritarian (very alarming)

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by J_McQuade »

hdgvhicv wrote: post #247
nemomarx wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their isps already offer this, actually. You have to show id to them to get it turned pff.

I don’t have to show ID, but I do have to pay the bill, which means a direct debit, which means over 18. The correct solution (in addition to bill layer control and arguably compulsory support for an “over 18” tag in dns which would be easy enough to implement for the same sites that currently demand over 18s, would be to help parents utilise parental controls (having recently been through it with Minecraft and fortn…

I think the correct solution would be to make parents responsible for actually using those controls, as they always have been for controlling a child's access to such materials in other media.

For example, if you have a stack of explicit DVDs and it becomes apparent that your child has access to them, then you will likely get a visit from social services and potentially suffer legal consequences up to and including removal of custody. I honestly have no idea why stuff on the internet is treated differently. Internet providers are already required to check that you are over 18 (much as the person selling you those DVDs is) - if you then share the content that this makes available with a child, then you should be held responsible in the same way. It was sufficient with print, VHS, Sky TV, etc. - why not the internet?

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by newsclues »

nickdothutton wrote: post #22

Step 1, pass law. Step 2, demand compliance. Step 3, upon not hearing of compliance, levy fines. Step 4, upon non payment of fines, declare in breach of (2). Step 5, block site from UK using DNS, in the same manner as torrent sites etc. 5 was always the goal, 2 to 4 are largely just performative.

6 the 4chan fans all know how to bypass the ban and it’s ultimately ineffective

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by hellojesus »

sejje wrote: post #201
sidewndr46 wrote: post #187

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Who is 'they' here?

The authoritarians locking down the internet, not sure why you need to ask

They can try.

> And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by ranger_danger »

lokar wrote: post #77
sunshine-o wrote: post #52

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This is the only power they have left. The UK government has lost control of what happen in the physical world on their own island so now the bureaucrats play a fantasy game where they are gonna enforce their rules and dominion in their former colonies or the digital world.

While I disapprove of what the gov is doing here, I think it’s incorrect and unhelpful to put all the blame on them. AIUI, the UK is a democracy and these policies are generally supported by the voters.

> generally supported by the voters

you could say the same about the US... that doesn't make it right and it doesn't mean people aren't violently voting against their own best interests.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by jrm4 »

At the risk of being old and optimistic; my gut right now is: GOOD, maybe the antisocial youngn's could perhaps make some real fundamental strides in hacking around/replacing/ doing SOMETHING about DNS as it serves.

My old mind is like, COME ON, DNS is just a PHONEBOOK. Just make another one, or do something better.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by ranger_danger »

waltbosz wrote: post #290
ImJamal wrote: post #277

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I assume this doesn't block porn on reddit or non-porn websites?

No, it just blocks DNS requests from a list of porn hostnames.

Many browsers/apps now will ignore the system/DHCP-provided DNS server and use their own though (often via TLS so you can't block it easily)... so while this might work for some situations, I can't in good conscious call it a great solution.

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Post by hellojesus »

dmonitor wrote: post #261
OldfieldFund wrote: post #238

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Twitter is really not far from 4chan in 2025.

That's understating it. They're practically the same at this point, 4chan just has fewer bots.

4chan doesn't manipulate the feed, so far as I know. Nor does it require a phone number to use.

It blocks mainstream vpns, but that's about it. Behind the scenes, who knows, but it's not as obviously full of low effort bait as Twitter, and no account is necessary.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by hellojesus »

fiso64 wrote: post #194
Bender wrote: post #181

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I thought about that as well. This would be true if team-hiromoot is not cooperating with the bot owners, otherwise the bots could simply be excluded given all their traffic is authenticated with a 4chan pass. Other chans have manipulated their stats to change how active they appear so it's really hard for me to rely upon that.

At this point your hypothesis is unfalsifiable. I was on /g/ before and after the hack and didn't detect any big changes. It was as shitty as ever.

/g/ is really only good during aoc

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by o11c »

ranger_danger wrote: post #295
lokar wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I disapprove of what the gov is doing here, I think it’s incorrect and unhelpful to put all the blame on them. AIUI, the UK is a democracy and these policies are generally supported by the voters.

> generally supported by the voters you could say the same about the US... that doesn't make it right and it doesn't mean people aren't violently voting against their own best interests.

It's a huge stretch to call the existence of 4chan in anyone's best interests.

First they came for 4chan and I said nothing, because good riddance!

This is not a slippery slope; this is a spring trying to return to the center. The harder the resistance at the extremes, the more energetic the oscillation will be, so if we want to minimize that, work on undermining the intolerable extremes.

The sheer anarchy of the libertarian mindset that much of this site supports is not a good thing.

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