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Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by jeremyjh »

keyle wrote: post #263
TiredOfLife wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>IntelliJ lost the plot at the inception of CLion etc. I was a customer for so many years. "One IDE to rule them all" and then they started cashing on more. What are you talking about? ReSharper came out 21 years ago 3 years after Intellij. RubyMine came out 15 years ago. 7 years before CLion.

I don't write Ruby, but I write Go and C, and C++ and I was left facing a new license. For no reason at all. It's the same debugger and the same code base, you just need to hook into gdb or lldb instead of all the other ones. Like I said it's only one of the problems, read the rest.

The paid version of Intellij has never lost anything. Pretty much everything the specialized IDEs can do, Intellij can do too, though maybe some features lag. CLion, Rubymine etc are just less expensive specialized versions.

I'm sure the free version has lost some things.

Its been a long time since I used CLion but it was the best C++ IDE by a huge margin.

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by vendiddy »

The vision sounds interesting but I think if they have two challenges they will need to overcome to compete in the IDE space

1) Their LLM integration needs to be at the quality of Cursor and VSCode to pull people away from those

2) Reduced friction to move over (keyboard shortcuts, common plugins, etc)

I think the Zed team is perfectly capable of winning. The bigger risk would be them trying to tackle fancy stuff before making sure the basics are good enough to get developers to switch.

They need to build up a deep understanding of why folks are sticking to Cursor/VSCode and not swapping over.

P.S. I would love for Zed to win in the market because I'm sick of slow software and it's refreshing to finally see an intense focus on performance.

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by Temporary_31337 »

fragmede wrote: post #35
spudlyo wrote: post #25

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The problem with accepting VC money is they will eventually demand a return on their investment, which means that the forces that drive enshitification will eventually come for Zed in some form. I suspect that we'll see more and more features locked behind a paid subscription and the open core of the editor will become neglected over time. Here I am on my free-as-in-freedom operating system, making commits with my fr…

I mean, eventually, sure. It took Uber around 15 years to get to profitability. ChatGPT came out in 2022, so get your predictions for 2037 in now.

For 2038 I predict Epochalypse and since there will only be vibe coders by then, good luck to y'all.

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by kamaal »

awill wrote: post #287
8fingerlouie wrote: post #285

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ST is also all but dead. They switched to a subscription model (3 year licenses are still subscriptions), and since the release of ST4 in 2021, there has been exactly one release with new features (May 2025). All other releases have been bug fixes and "improvements". I get that developers need to make a living, but 4 years of fixing bugs in your products is probably not what I want to be paying for, at least not when…

It does look like ST is lost here. They don't know where to go next. But I do like their Sublime Merge product. It's really good.

That no major AI players even bother to announce a ST plugin/package is proof enough, its now just a tool to manage random text copy/paste snippets.

vscode seems to have totally taken over dev mindshare these days.

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by skydhash »

kamaal wrote: post #294
awill wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does look like ST is lost here. They don't know where to go next. But I do like their Sublime Merge product. It's really good.

That no major AI players even bother to announce a ST plugin/package is proof enough, its now just a tool to manage random text copy/paste snippets. vscode seems to have totally taken over dev mindshare these days.

They also don’t bother to announce a Vim or Emacs one either. VS Code provides good default and most people don’t care about editor fluency. Which is why they keep using it.

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by weakfish »

vendiddy wrote: post #292

The vision sounds interesting but I think if they have two challenges they will need to overcome to compete in the IDE space 1) Their LLM integration needs to be at the quality of Cursor and VSCode to pull people away from those 2) Reduced friction to move over (keyboard shortcuts, common plugins, etc) I think the Zed team is perfectly capable of winning. The bigger risk would be them trying to tackle fancy stuff bef…

FWIW their default keybinds mirror VS Code nearly 1:1 with some (IMO) improvements

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by mstade »

AstroBen wrote: post #219
mstade wrote: post #171

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I don't get this Sublime is dead nonsense. It's still being updated and works great. It's been my editor of choice for years and I happily pay for my license. I'd probably pay more if they asked me, it's tremendous value for money in my opinion.

Eh.. I gave ST4 a go earlier this year and moved away from it due to plugins I wanted not being updated for years, and no longer working. That really feels on the cusp of being dead to me There needs to be a critical mass of people using it for things that aren't core to stay updated

I don't run that many plugins to be fair, but the ones I do run (of which at least a couple are no longer maintained) works fine.

The key plugins I use are some LSP servers, and they work wonders. The few languages I mainly use (yaml, json, TS/JS, python and Go) I get great language support for via the LSP servers and the editor is blissfully fast always.

I could live without even the LSP stuff, but the one feature I can't live without is Sublime's excellent recovery support. Every once in a while my system will crash, and even though I've had multiple unsaved buffers Sublime recovers them every single time. Saved my butt more times than I want to know!

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by kamaal »

airesQ wrote: post #106

Is IntelliJ "bad"? Aren't the reactions here overly negative? This means the company is funded, development will continue, zed will continue to improve. An IntelliJ style license (for example) is an acceptable trade-off from my point-of-view

>>Is IntelliJ "bad"?

The days of using a separate IDE for each language are kind of over.

These very paradigms are outdated these days. vscode got it, very early. vscode works for everything. Most projects use Python/Go and JS, and out of the box vscode just works for all these languages and their tools.

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