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Re: US reportedly forcing TSMC to buy 49% stake in Intel to secure tariff relief

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Post by arbitrary_name »

nosignono wrote: post #207
tw04 wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>so the logical conclusion is that American consumers will end up paying the tariffs. That’s been the point all along… they are significantly raising taxes on the bottom 90% of Americans and most are too stupid to even understand it. Gotta pay for those tax cuts for the wealthy somehow.

It has nothing to do with stupidity. Stop painting people as idiots because they exist in one of the most information hostile environments in human history. This isn't some natural state that's unrecoverable. The people you describe have been given a highly addictive media environment tailor made to engender outrage and drive behavior. It shouldn't be a shock when most people cannot resist it. The first step to chang…

While i take your point about playing nice, it has a lot to do with stupidity: specifically ignorance, intellectual laziness, lack of curiosity, bias, anti intellectualism, inability to think abstractly, lack of education, lack of critical thinking, ideology, and a host of other things.

Almost all of which correlate in some way to 'stupidity'.

I posit that your first line is wildly wrong, but your message is broadly valid.

Re: US reportedly forcing TSMC to buy 49% stake in Intel to secure tariff relief

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Post by DangitBobby »

throwawaylaptop wrote: post #178
davidw wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just last week, the director of the Bureau of Labor Statistics was fired because the jobs numbers didn't look good and that upset the person in charge.

[flagged]

She was fired specifically for "cooking the numbers." An attempt to bring BLS methodology into question is certainly more productive than what Trump did, but it has little to do with Trump's state of mind when he fired her.

Re: US reportedly forcing TSMC to buy 49% stake in Intel to secure tariff relief

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Post by dylan604 »

nosignono wrote: post #207
tw04 wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>so the logical conclusion is that American consumers will end up paying the tariffs. That’s been the point all along… they are significantly raising taxes on the bottom 90% of Americans and most are too stupid to even understand it. Gotta pay for those tax cuts for the wealthy somehow.

It has nothing to do with stupidity. Stop painting people as idiots because they exist in one of the most information hostile environments in human history. This isn't some natural state that's unrecoverable. The people you describe have been given a highly addictive media environment tailor made to engender outrage and drive behavior. It shouldn't be a shock when most people cannot resist it. The first step to chang…

> most information hostile environments in human history

Is it though? East Germany comes to mind as well as the rest of the Cold War countries behind the Iron Curtain. China seems to be pretty hostile as well. In the US, it is still much easier to find real information that counters the propaganda than it is in any of those other countries. There's no Great Firewall to bypass. You don't even need to do anything anonymously. Yes, the current administration is doing its damnedest to pull the wool over the eyes of their followers, but it's only effective for them. Nobody else is fooled nor stopping their publishing of the opposition to the propaganda.

Re: US reportedly forcing TSMC to buy 49% stake in Intel to secure tariff relief

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Post by spangry »

estebarb wrote: post #263

I don't get it. Isn't it like forcing the foreign competitor into buying your only chicken that produces golden eggs. I really don't understand the logic behind this.

Just spitballing - maybe if TSMC had a 49% stake in Intel they'd be incentivised to transfer their chip-making technologies and techniques to Intel, to maximise the value of their (forced) investment?

Re: US reportedly forcing TSMC to buy 49% stake in Intel to secure tariff relief

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Post by heraldgeezer »

jrflowers wrote: post #290
heraldgeezer wrote: post #231

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>I recently lost my COVID kilos, 10-15kg. Was easy. It took you five years to do that though. Why did it take that long if it was easy

I started in like December or January... Was COVID 5 years ago fuck me. Also, COVID weight gain would be during lockdowns, and ALSO my job went fully remote. Being fully remote was an issue for sure. So it's like COVID was extended for me.

I never really weighed myself and then felt weird like a big mechelin man and I saw I was 10-12 kg heavier, makes sense why I feel bad I thought, and I did not weigh before and just decided to lose it, was easy when I decided.

That's my story.

I was always slow on the uptake on things, hygiene, clothes etc.

Weight too, I grew up always being skinny, but getting to 30+ I never noticed when I got heavier as it takes a long time, you talk as if everything is obvious, but it is not.

But it is easy once you know.

So, if you have already identified weight as being the issue, losing weight is easy, in my experience. As I said, fasting feels good, skip meals, skip the beer, drink sugar-free. 10 kg gone fast, I promise you.

The issue for me is identifying the problem.

Love the downvotes, btw.

>It took you five years to do that though. Why did it take that long if it was easy

I should specify, I have been BMI 19-20 for 3–4 months now, again, as from teenager to 25-ish thats my range, thats "me", it feels like myself, so.

So that's what I mean when “recently”, not yesterday.

Time warps when you get old. So fast.

ALSO, easy things can still take a long time. You understand the words?

Re: US reportedly forcing TSMC to buy 49% stake in Intel to secure tariff relief

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Post by spangry »

cyphertruck wrote: post #209

This is like an old fashioned Civilization game trade. Taiwan gets a significant ownership in a blue chip US company, TSMC should then take %51 control over intel, and turn it around. The US gets a stronger position with China such that china attacking Taiwan would be like bombing Apple or Google. The USA will go to war over that. Only the willingness to go to war, stops aggressors. War is terrible and economic compe…

> The US gets a stronger position with China such that china attacking Taiwan would be like bombing Apple or Google. The USA will go to war over that.

If TSMC has effectively transferred their technology to Intel, doesn't this remove a reason for the US to defend Taiwan?

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Post by dylan604 »

arbitrary_name wrote: post #291
nosignono wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It has nothing to do with stupidity. Stop painting people as idiots because they exist in one of the most information hostile environments in human history. This isn't some natural state that's unrecoverable. The people you describe have been given a highly addictive media environment tailor made to engender outrage and drive behavior. It shouldn't be a shock when most people cannot resist it. The first step to chang…

While i take your point about playing nice, it has a lot to do with stupidity: specifically ignorance, intellectual laziness, lack of curiosity, bias, anti intellectualism, inability to think abstractly, lack of education, lack of critical thinking, ideology, and a host of other things. Almost all of which correlate in some way to 'stupidity'. I posit that your first line is wildly wrong, but your message is broadly…

Just because someone has a different point of view than yours does not make them stupid. I know plenty of people that have different views of mine that are much smarter than I am, and engaging with them leads to interesting conversations. I can still think they are "wrong" at the end of these conversations, but I'd never call them stupid. Hell, the lottery is often described as a tax on poor people. Yet the vast majority of lottery players would never call it a tax. The vast majority of people that I've talked to that don't understand tariffs are not incapable of understanding the concept. They've only ever heard their information from one source that does not discuss tariffs in this manner. Once they hear other viewpoints not from a single source, they typically admit they are taxes and do not argue against it. It does not change their mind that they are still a good idea.

Re: US reportedly forcing TSMC to buy 49% stake in Intel to secure tariff relief

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Post by UncleOxidant »

It seems like they're asking the wrong company to take a stake in Intel. It would make more sense to try to get companies like Apple & Nvidia to take stakes in Nvidia - US based companies that need the product that Intel can supply.

Re: US reportedly forcing TSMC to buy 49% stake in Intel to secure tariff relief

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Post by arbitrary_name »

hx8 wrote: post #246
tw04 wrote: post #236

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> It has nothing to do with stupidity. Stop painting people as idiots because they exist in one of the most information hostile environments in human history. No. Someone refusing to spend 30 seconds understanding how a tariff works is the result of an idiot. My 10 year old figured out how they work in under 5 minutes. There’s literally no excuse for a grown ass adult to refuse to educate themselves on the subject. “…

I just googled "How do tariffs work?" I got hit with several college level vocabulary words describing tariffs in both the AI summary and my first result. It might be less of a problem, if we had adequately funded schools.

Google, what's a "college level vocabulary word"?

For crying out loud, information is so accessible. The inability to find and discern at least some level of truth (or at least gather multiple contrasting perspectives) is laziness, AND stupidity.

I'm all for better schools, a better information ecosystem, and more tolerance, but why are we bending over backwards to tell malignantly underinformed people it's not their fault? It is! It is their fault.

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Post by hobobaggins »

MBCook wrote: post #193
_hyn3 wrote: post #175

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What would TSMC do if they couldn't sell chips to the USA? It cuts both ways, like most trade negotiations.

Is “don’t buy stuff with TSMC chips” really a valid option we have? Isn’t that basically “stop buying high technology” to a large degree?

> Is “don’t buy stuff with TSMC chips” really a valid option we have?

Not sure that TSMC would want to do that either! We're probably their biggest market, even allowing for China.

> Isn’t that basically “stop buying high technology” to a large degree?

I think you're right, to an extent, at leastt in the near term.

However, we do have (and especially used to have) various fabbing here in the States, from Samsung to Intel. Especially the latter has been neglected, but these changes would probably accelerate on-shoring and perhaps bring some of it back here.

Don't forget that TSMC is in a country that is probably going to go through some significant instability in the next few years. From a business continuity perspective, we'd need to consider availability and supply chain management with the strong possibility of a major vendor being located in the middle of a hot warzone.

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