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Genie 3: A new frontier for world models

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Post by HocusLocus »

stillpointlab wrote: post #282
timeattack wrote: post #75

Advances in generative AI are making me progressively more and more depressive. Creativity is taken from us at exponential rate. And I don't buy argument from people who are saying they are excited to live in this age. I can get that if that technology stopped at current state and remained to be just tools for our creative endeavours, but it doesn't seem to be an endgame here. Instead it aims to be a complete replace…

> I don't buy argument from people who are saying they are excited to live in this age What argument is required for excitement? Excitement is a feeling not a rational act. It comes from optimism and imagination. There is no argument for optimism. There is often little reason in imagination. > How to even find the value in living given all of that? You might have heard of the Bhagavad Gita, a 2000+ year old spiritual…

Genie 3 not only groks the Bhagavad Gita, it can generate "Blue & Elephant People: The Movie".

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Post by cranium »

I find the model very impressive, but how could it be used in the wild? They mention robots (maybe to test them cheaply in completely different environments?), but I don't see the use in games except during development to generate ideas/assets.

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Post by SirHumphrey »

red_hare wrote: post #219

Can you imagine explaining to someone from the 1800s that we've created a fully generative virtual world experience and the demo was "painting a wall blue"

Reading works of early computer scientists (mathematicians?) like Ada Lovelace or Alan Turing it seems to me that they would be a lot less surprised than some current observers. The idea of artificial mind comes up a lot and they weren't witness to 30 years of slow and uninspiring NLP developments.

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Post by jjrh »

sunsunsunsun wrote: post #211
yomismoaqui wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question is, why are you doing art? - Because you enjoy it - Because you get pats in the back from people you share it with - Because you want to earn money from it The 1st one will continue to be true in this dystopian AI art future, the other not so much. And sincerely I find that kind of human art, the one that comes from a pure inner force, the more interesting one. EDIT: list formatting

You seem to forget that most artists enjoy it but due to the structure of our society are forced to either give it up for most of their waking life to earn money or attempt to market their art to the masses to make money. This AI stuff only makes it harder for artists to make any kind of living off of their work.

Ideally AI makes it so you don't have to work and can pursue whatever interests.

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Post by roboboffin »

seanw444 wrote: post #245
roboboffin wrote: post #128

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In theory, creativity is an infinite space. As technology advances it allows humans to explore more and more complex things; take the advancement of music as an example, synths, loops etc. If humans are not stretched to their limits, and are still able to be creative, then the tools will help us find our way through this infinite space. AI will never be able to generate everything for us, because that means it will n…

It doesn't need to generate everything . It only needs to be marginally better or more efficient than a human for it to start generating everything humans need when needed . Edit: left the page open for a while before responding, and the other person responded with basically the same thing within that time.

If human need drives the creative process, then there will always be a human in the loop. Instead, each human becomes the “random seed” that initialises the process based on their own unique make-up. This is only different from how things work now, in that humans are also creating the artefact.

Similar to how synths meant we no longer need to play an instruments by plucking strings, it hasn’t affected the higher level creativity of creating music, only expanded it.

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Post by echelon »

make3 wrote: post #277
alphabetting wrote: post #175

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I doubt there was a condition on writing positively. Other people who tested have said this won't replace engines. https://togelius.blogspot.com/2025/08/genie-3-and-future-of-...

It wouldn't be surprising if a structured version of this with state cached per room for example could be used in a game. & you're basically seeing GPT-3 and saying it will never be used in any serious application.. the rate of improvement in their model is insane

Don't put the world state into the model. Use the model as a renderer of whatever objects the "engine" throws at it.

Use the CPU and RAM for world state, then pass it off to the model to render.

Regardless of how this is done, Unreal Engine with all of its bells and whistles is toast. That C++ pile of engineering won't outdo something this flexible.

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Post by psbp »

thinkingtoilet wrote: post #279
psbp wrote: post #246

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The process of thinking and exploring ideas is inherently enriching. Nothing can take away your ability to have incredible experiences, except if the robots kill us all.

I don't know... There are plenty of otherwise capable adults who just get home from work and watch TV. They either never, or extremely rarely, indulge in hobbies, go see a concert, or even go out to meet others. Not that TV can't be art and challenge us but lets be honest, 99% of it is not that.

I have been this person. I can say that it's not a time of my life I look back on fondly.
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