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Post by WJW »

brookst wrote: post #92
WJW wrote: post #35

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Sure, but what kind of action does it imply? North Korea is recognized by (almost?) every country too, but that doesn't mean anyone is hurrying to provide aid to starving North Koreans. Similarly the international recognition of Azerbaijan and Armenia did nothing to prevent one from taking Nagorno-Karabach from the other earlier this year. So "recognizing the Palestinian state" is all good and well, but unless anyone…

It’s noble of you to say that countries might as well not recognize Palestine because it will do no good, but by and large the Palestinians have a different view and see such recognition as a first step.

This is not at all what my previous comment said. I said that it might be a first step, but that first step doesn't matter if no further steps are forthcoming.

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Post by griffzhowl »

hermitcrab wrote: post #185
sitkack wrote: post #113

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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/christian-zionism-israel-anti...

I've never really understood the relationship between the US and Israel. The US gives Israel pretty much whatever it wants and in return the US gets ... nothing? Israel even (deliberately?) attacked a US ship during the 6 day war, with little (if any) consequences: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident >While millions of American evangelical Christians have long been fervent supporters of the Jewish stat…

There's also the effectiveness of the Israel lobby. Various pro-Israel organisations fund almost all members of congress

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Israel_Lobby_and_U.S._Fore...

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by fuzzfactor »

sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #205
frob wrote: post #163

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Thw law is very obviously being abused here by Trump and his administration to punish unfavored speech and unfavored groups. They dont care about equal protection one bit. They want to punish academics and universities so that Trump et al can controll their speech.

"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."

Nope, that's more like trumpery. Well-recognized for centuries before the current crop of Trumps was even born:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trumpery

OTOH "Conservatism" is simply the desire to hold on to, or conserve what there currently is, rather than progress toward something different.

Whether the progress is for the better or worse or even if anybody knows for sure.

Truly the opposite of "progressive". Neither one inherently good or bad.

And as can be seen, an indication of the relative greatness of American leaders who can be judged by their ability to wisely balance the interests of all citizens. The US has a history of exceptional true leaders since the beginning, but not every single one. Some have been far from saintly, and some not even suitable for a free country.

Quite a lot of times neither conservative nor progressive seem like as much of a driving force unless their hallmarks are in decline to the point where some things that were perceived as precious to conserve or progress toward or beyond had already been lost to a certain extent, or otherwise under increased threat.

Edit: not my donvote btw

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

Horffupolde wrote: post #11
willvarfar wrote: post #7

Public support for Israel is steadily falling; this poll was published just a couple of days ago https://news.gallup.com/poll/692948/u.s.-back-israel-militar... and other G7 countries are moving to recognise Palestine. So will the administration's push to use pro-Israel reasons to censure and penalise the universities steadily get out of touch with what the public want and sympathise with?

What does “recognizing Palestine” even mean?

Palestinians don't 'recognize' the Palestine that is being recognized. The borders, the leadership, etc. How can a nation recognize a country that that countries' people don't?

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Post by dttze »

kj4211cash wrote: post #199
DSingularity wrote: post #150

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Was it really the Zionists that did this? Or a Trump administration that enjoys disrupting academia and experts in general.

This was already underway with Biden. It’s the Zionists and their apparent outsized influence within the US government.

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Post by consumer451 »

PartiallyTyped wrote: post #142
oceansky wrote: post #97

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I would say at least a century

We can agree that decades of soft power are gone. So it’d take twice as much to ameliorate.

> soft power

This term appears to have been redefined by podcast and twitter bros as something really, really bad. They can't define it, but it's bad. Similar to that four letter word that starts with "w."

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Post by ben_w »

petesergeant wrote: post #267
ben_w wrote: post #195

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Sure, there's also two such places in the UK. Thing is, I do find myself missing the one I spent nearly a decade living in, because such networks are self-sorting and I didn't realise how rare it was until I failed to find it again after leaving. (Still, Berlin is doing me good in almost all other aspects besides being able to accidentally find I've moved right around the corner from the same pub frequented by the au…

> there's also two such places in the UK Oxford and Imperial?

Hah! No, the reason I'd say against Imperial isn't the college itself (but even then, is still third on the list of Oxbridge and), it's similar to why I'm not tripping over smart people here in Berlin: fantastic public transit means the smart people aren't all squished together.

Town and gown, massive town. Diluted organisational opportunity, less room for serendipity in meeting fellow nerds of whatever topic of interest.

That said, I do not know the social organisational structures of much of the USA, so it's plausible that this reasoning doesn't work because the USA has the same spread-out-ness from all the cars, or perhaps everyone in both just knows how to find the nerdy and geeky Schelling points…

But (Old) Cambridge? Geeking opportunities are as densely packed in Cambridge as archeology is within 2km of the Parthenon in Athens. Oxford certainly looks similar to Cambridge in this regard. At least, when I visited, as a tourist, given I didn't live in Oxford at any point.

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Post by fuzzfactor »

oceansky wrote: post #259
linotype wrote: post #200

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If an alliance decades in the making can be undone in six months it wasn’t much of an alliance in the first place. Just a bunch of countries subsidizing their defense budgets off the backs of the poor and middle class in the US (NATO).

Destroying is much easier than building something, including alliances, trust and deals.

Childish destruction is really in its own category too.

I would say different US leaders over the decades have had varying degrees of financial acumen when it comes to being able to afford things like NATO, without contributing most strongly to pressure on poor & middle class.

Though no doubt a truly rich country has been able to afford it through thick & thin, as long as there is decision-making consistently at above-average levels, with no undercurrents or personal tendencies toward financial incompetence, malfeasance or outright criminality in sight.

When the fool who drops the ball is closer to the top though, expect it to take a whole lot longer to recover the same yardage that was lost, if at all.

Every now and then there are shameful milestones that just can not be recovered from.

Some things you just can't fix.

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Post by jahnu »

linotype wrote: post #200
oceansky wrote: post #97

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I would say at least a century

If an alliance decades in the making can be undone in six months it wasn’t much of an alliance in the first place. Just a bunch of countries subsidizing their defense budgets off the backs of the poor and middle class in the US (NATO).

It wasn’t undone in 6 months. This started with the GWOT and ramped up in 2016.

This year was just the tipping point.

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Post by UncleMeat »

retinaros wrote: post #283
ModernMech wrote: post #241

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What precedent? When did the Biden administration pull funding from universities to control speech it didn't approve of?

democrats didn’t need as they controlled those institutions. they however did it to the police to punish them just like trump did to school. For education, It was their funding and they put in power the people that did the coercion, lied on their resume and instead of having the will to educate the students just pushed down their throats propaganda. if you were against BLM or even a bit vocal about the tactics and ne…

Democrats don't control these institutions. Look at who is on the boards of these universities (both public and private).
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