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‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

hearsathought wrote: post #182
FranklinMaillot wrote: post #30

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It's not so shocking when you realize that israel is a european settler colony created and founded by europeans and settled by europeans. I don't think many european countries criticized the settlement of canada, us, australia, argentina, etc. Israel isn't a semitic country. It is a european/western country just like australia. It's just that nobody calls out the obvious.

> israel is a european settler colony created and founded by europeans and settled by europeans

Speaking as someone who has heritage in a former European colony, this reductive framing strikes me as ringing closer to the remote oversimplifications Sykes and Picot engaged in than anything those on the ground would endorse.

American political science is obsessed with settler colonialism. Herego, every conflict distills through that lens.

Are there elements of this conflict that mirror that dynamic? Sure. Is it a useful model for making predictions and policy for the people on the ground? No. Will that impact the profitability of repeating it on social media? Probably not.

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Post by pyrale »

falcor84 wrote: post #237
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You reminded me of this interview with Harlan Ellison that was making the rounds a while ago [0]. I think there's some kernel of truth there. I've heard a lot of people from both sides say that they prefer to die than to leave the land. So following up on Harlan's proposal, I would be in favour of the international community owning up to the situation and offering full asylum and permanent resettlement with a short-t…

So basically the international community should allow a genocide by "whoever" is stronger?

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Post by tremon »

echelon_musk wrote: post #192
amirhirsch wrote: post #166

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The entire bible is a story of the Jewish people losing their land due to moral failings. Repeatedly. From Judges through 2 Kings, Israel repeatedly loses divine protection precisely because of its own wickedness. Being “chosen” meant bearing covenantal responsibility, not enjoying a blank moral check. Deuteronomy 20:15-18 is more appropriate to the current conflict, as it relates to how the Jews should fight wars in…

This continues to be relevant: > “When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any reli…

When you separate yourself by [insert tribalist rhetoric], it breeds violence

This may sound superficially true, but it is confusing cause and effect. It's more likely to be the other way around: people seeking violence need to separate themselves from their target. That does not automatically mean that every self-classification carries an implication of violence.

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Post by bigtex88 »

sillystuff wrote: post #207
nahuel0x wrote: post #109

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Zionism didn't become nazism by fighting against it, there is a deep history of zionism collaborating with the Nazi regime. Both shared an ethno-nationalist worldview from the start and the objective of moving the Jewish people out of Germany.

This is true. The original European Jews who founded Israel were even opposed to the German Nazis transferring thousands of Jewish children to other countries to save their lives. These Zionist Jews thought it would be better for their state building project if these children were all murdered than if the children were sent anywhere except to Palestine. But, some of the collaboration wasn't really the Zionist Jews' e…

This is insane and offered up with zero sources.

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Post by bigtex88 »

hearsathought wrote: post #182
FranklinMaillot wrote: post #30

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It's not so shocking when you realize that israel is a european settler colony created and founded by europeans and settled by europeans. I don't think many european countries criticized the settlement of canada, us, australia, argentina, etc. Israel isn't a semitic country. It is a european/western country just like australia. It's just that nobody calls out the obvious.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

slt2021 wrote: post #286
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #266

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> many of us here in the US are rightfully watching and questioning why our taxes are funding a genocide This is fair. Claiming Palestinians are being ignored is not.

>Claiming Palestinians are being ignored is not. False. USA continues to ignore the plight of Palestinians and continues to fund and arm the regime that kills them

> USA continues to ignore the plight of Palestinians and continues to fund and arm the regime that kills them

False monolith. To the extent there is a single foreign policy issue dominating the American public consciousness, it’s Gaza.

Palestinian lives are not being ignored. There isn’t universal compassion for them. But the average American has more developed views on this topic than for any comparable conflict around the world.

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Post by Workaccount2 »

cholantesh wrote: post #171
Workaccount2 wrote: post #130

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For most of the kids falling over themselves in this conflict, history between the two nations began October 8th 2023. For the adults that run the world and been around 50+ years watching this shit, they just want it to be over, and don't really care who wins. At this point Palestine has no cards left and no friends helping them. They have lost, and the adults want them to go away without human-shielding themselves t…

>human-shielding The '''adults''' are not the ones accepting this and other canards that Israel and their apologists keep bandying about.

Hamas doesn't issue uniforms to its soldiers, except for publicity shots and some small spec ops units.

This isn't even propaganda or anything, go watch footage from either side of the fighting.

Dressing your soldiers as civilians is in fact using "human shields".

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Post by bigtex88 »

xdennis wrote: post #28
cess11 wrote: post #10

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I'm sorry you're being downvoted. Any comment right now on this thread that attempts to push back on the narrative is being downvoted unfortunately.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

74B5 wrote: post #283
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #266

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> many of us here in the US are rightfully watching and questioning why our taxes are funding a genocide This is fair. Claiming Palestinians are being ignored is not.

If ignorance was not an issue, how come that money went to israel for all this time?

How are these related?

I supported arming Ukraine. That didn’t rely on ignorance of Russia.

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