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Re: How I Use Kagi

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Post by lostlogin »

adhamsalama wrote: post #204
eldaisfish wrote: post #156

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let's not pretend that US democracy, flaws included, is in any way comparable to Russia. Please, you know this is a bad faith argument, so let's cut the false equivalence. I dislike the US as much as anyone, but I appreciate that the US is much better than Russia.

How many countries have Russia invaded in the last 50 years? And the same for the US? The US invaded more and killed more innocent civilians, so pretending it's any better than Russia is hypocrisy at best.

Wars involving Russia in the last 50 years must be around 20, and don’t forget the occupation of half of Europe.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Russi...

Re: How I Use Kagi

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Post by lostlogin »

yoavm wrote: post #243
adhamsalama wrote: post #204

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How many countries have Russia invaded in the last 50 years? And the same for the US? The US invaded more and killed more innocent civilians, so pretending it's any better than Russia is hypocrisy at best.

I don't think Russia has many neighbouring countries it can still invade, because it literally already did all of them (except Norway?). And with their size, they have a lot of neighbours. It's very comfortable to restrict your argument to the last 50 years, but the true story of Russia is completely different.

Even the last 50 results in a silly long list.

Re: How I Use Kagi

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Post by dcow »

cosmicgadget wrote: post #231
Ar-Curunir wrote: post #198

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Are you talking about the United States? Like, yes, the Russian regime is awful, but how are you looking around at the the world and not applying the same standards to the US?

Can we just stop at the "yes the Russian regime (and oligarchy and substantial popular support) is awful" part? Because that is really all you need to reasonably boycott Yandex. Is it good to be ideologically consistent? Absolutely! Is it required? Not if you're aiming to reduce the amount of evil in the world. Redirecting discussion about Russia's shittiness to a criticism of the US is a dumb propaganda tactic that…

No, you can’t without being a hypocrite. It sure is convenient to take a moral stance when it has no real impact on your life and just throws others under the bus. But try applying your morality consistently and you will find it’s effectively impossible. So ultimately you’re just picking issues to complain about based on the current political climate, not actually taking a fundamental principled moral stance on an issue—you’re not making the world a better place.

Add to that the value that good search provides humanity, even Ukrainians and Russians against the war, and it’s not even obvious that boycotting a company that does a minuscule amount of business with a Russian company is doing more good than harm. So you’re arguably actually perpetuating harm more than reducing it.

Re: How I Use Kagi

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Post by lostlogin »

lukan wrote: post #104
jwr wrote: post #81

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Let's assume the question has been asked in good faith. Yes, I actually do. And I lose money because of that, significant amounts, because I run a SaaS, where I (as an example) stopped service to all customers from Russia when the full invasion of Ukraine started. So it's not just about not paying, it's about refusing money as well. It's easy to fall into the "whataboutism" trap and do nothing, because one can always…

"I do not accept simply doing nothing." You can also donate to the Ukrainian army directly. Or to amnesty international. Or a tons of other options instead of collective punishment. What is the ordinary russian against the war supposed to do? They don't even have a real option of leaving the country as most other states don't want them because they are russian. In my opinion this helps Putin in his propaganda that th…

Do you support any sanctions against Russia?

Re: How I Use Kagi

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Post by lostlogin »

g-b-r wrote: post #257
jwr wrote: post #81

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Let's assume the question has been asked in good faith. Yes, I actually do. And I lose money because of that, significant amounts, because I run a SaaS, where I (as an example) stopped service to all customers from Russia when the full invasion of Ukraine started. So it's not just about not paying, it's about refusing money as well. It's easy to fall into the "whataboutism" trap and do nothing, because one can always…

> Leaders are leaders because they have been elected, and/or have support within the population. What?

What’s confusing about that statement?

Re: How I Use Kagi

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Post by dcow »

7373737373 wrote: post #105
lostlogin wrote: post #35

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Good links. Him making out that hiding it is to help users is a bit gross.

They would rather live in a world where they can find everything, including 2℅ atrocities they indirectly fund, than not

I prefer that world too.

The only people morally responsible for committing atrocities are those who commit them. Shall we hold the farmers who grow food that Russian leaders consume morally culpable for those leaders’ actions? I’m dead serious. You cannot in good faith actually argue that everyone is indirectly morally culpable for any action that is “enabled” by something they do.

Like freedom of expression, neutral objective search is too important to poison with identity politics and virtue signaling.

Re: How I Use Kagi

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Post by dcow »

sergeykish wrote: post #265
dcow wrote: post #242

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What makes you so certain the US is less bad than Russia?

Facts. Do you have no moral ground on WW2 Germany either?

Wars are bad and the person who wins is right. That’s how it has been for all of history. There are no just wars. Just, wars.

Re: How I Use Kagi

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Post by dcow »

lostlogin wrote: post #261
joshuaturner wrote: post #106

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Removing a previously public list of sources after being pressed on their integration with Yandex gives me a different impression.

I’d assumed that stopping my subscription didn’t achieve anything. Presumably enough have that it hurts a little.

Or they just don’t want to deal with the bad faith actors with overly amplified internet voices cherrypicking Kagi as the next innocent product to torpedo because they aren’t virtuous enough. You can’t win against crazy people in a mob.

Re: How I Use Kagi

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Post by lostlogin »

dcow wrote: post #290
lostlogin wrote: post #262

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I have plenty of reservations about the US, but the invasion of the Ukraine is not in the same category as anything the US is up to.

So sure, you are.

Could you give an example of US actions that are comparable to the Russian invasion of Ukraine?
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