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Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by jordanb »

mrtksn wrote: post #216
jordanb wrote: post #131

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>end of Europe How do you picture this? People in Paris disappear with a flash of light and baguettes falling on the ground? Or is ot more like the earth shakes and it all goes under the water? Or maybe something like Europeans collectively decide to do whatever Putin tells them? Or maybe suddenly adopt American and Russian way of life, like Italians burn their Fiat 500's and order Ford F-150's, throw away their wine…

"End of Europe" as a coherent entity that's willing and able to look after its own interests. Even as Ukrainians die in the meat grinder and Germany is lauded as Ukraine's best friend in Europe, millions of dollars of dual-use technology products from Germany continue to transship into Russia via Kazakhstan. Imagine if it was 1942 and Britain was still shipping millions of dollars of weapons components into Germany via Sweden or Switzerland?

Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by aisenik »

dgb23 wrote: post #243

There are so many red flags with this administration that I lost count. Policing speech, suppressing information, cutting research funding, cutting social programs, increasing spending and intensity for deportations, deporting people for political affiliation, an unnecessarily disruptive economic policy and many reports of general incompetence, lying and corruption. It's all so bleak. Where is the payoff?

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Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by berdario »

fnordian_slip wrote: post #222
4gotunameagain wrote: post #215

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It makes no sense whatsoever for Russia to attack more states than Ukraine. The sole reason Russia invaded Ukraine was that it was flirting too much with NATO. Putin might be a lunatic, but he is not stupid.

The sole reason Germany annexed Czechoslovakia was was that there were atrocities being committed against the Sudeten[0]. He even made a speech at the Sportpalast in Berlin in which he stated that the Sudetenland was "the last territorial demand I have to make in Europe". So all's fine, and we don't have to worry about Germany. 0: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesson_of_Munich

One big difference, is that the opposition to nazi Germany was relatively weak before the start of WW2:

After Reginald Drax's mission to Moscow failed, the Soviet Union ended up signing its famous non-aggression pact.

Italy was allied, Spain was neutral/aligned. Turkiye was neutral.

Poland could only count on UK and France[0].

Compare to now, where the NATO military bloc is massive. No one would dare risking a military confrontation in these circumstances.

If anything, when there are any tensions between two non-NATO countries, it makes it more urgent for one to oppose the other joining NATO (attacking before they'd join NATO would stave off them joining, attacking after they'd join NATO would lead to an unwinnable fight).

0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Polish_military_alliance

Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by amarka »

zmgsabst wrote: post #134
perrygeo wrote: post #92

If this administration doesn't want to do anything to solve climate change, that's their choice. It's a terrible choice, but it's in their power to do so. However, there's a huge difference between dismissing the severity of the evidence vs. going out of your way to hide evidence. The first is born of arrogance. The later is naked cowardice - they know exactly how wrong they are. If they wanted to project strength, t…

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From the article: “ The White House, which was responsible for the assessments, said the information will be housed within NASA to comply with the law, but gave no further details.”

It doesn’t seem like the admin believes the reports are biased and need to be removed. Cool conspiracy though.

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Post by triceratops »

4gotunameagain wrote: post #215
ben_w wrote: post #185

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That a Ukraine loss is seen as the end of a free Europe (because Russia wouldn't stop at least until at least DDR Germany borders), is why the other European nations are collectively increasing military spending. For a sense of scale (only scale, money is definitely not the most important criteria), the EU currently spends twice as much on their military as Russia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with…

It makes no sense whatsoever for Russia to attack more states than Ukraine. The sole reason Russia invaded Ukraine was that it was flirting too much with NATO. Putin might be a lunatic, but he is not stupid.

> The sole reason Russia invaded Ukraine was that it was flirting too much with NATO.

I don't understand, are you trying to make Russia sound like an incel? It's not a flattering look.

Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by mrtksn »

jordanb wrote: post #291
mrtksn wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>end of Europe How do you picture this? People in Paris disappear with a flash of light and baguettes falling on the ground? Or is ot more like the earth shakes and it all goes under the water? Or maybe something like Europeans collectively decide to do whatever Putin tells them? Or maybe suddenly adopt American and Russian way of life, like Italians burn their Fiat 500's and order Ford F-150's, throw away their wine…

"End of Europe" as a coherent entity that's willing and able to look after its own interests. Even as Ukrainians die in the meat grinder and Germany is lauded as Ukraine's best friend in Europe, millions of dollars of dual-use technology products from Germany continue to transship into Russia via Kazakhstan. Imagine if it was 1942 and Britain was still shipping millions of dollars of weapons components into Germany v…

Europe is far from coherent, even if it is the most coherent that ever has been.

Meanwhile, support rate for EU and Eurozone is highest ever among EU member states and Europe as a whole. If anything, people are annoyed that EU struggles to be decisive as Europeans want more EU, not less. This new situation even paved the way for collaboration previously thought to be far fetched dream.

I don't know how all this will unfold but if tonight Europe ends as we know it, tomorrow we will have European federation and the discussions won't be about the petty local issues but thinks like EU army etc. as all Europeans are very annoyed by Russia, USA and the current state of affairs in Europe.

Check the stats, Europeans don't buy into the agenda pushed by the American libertarians. People want bigger stronger EU to take over where USA abandoned.

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

jordanb wrote: post #291
mrtksn wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>end of Europe How do you picture this? People in Paris disappear with a flash of light and baguettes falling on the ground? Or is ot more like the earth shakes and it all goes under the water? Or maybe something like Europeans collectively decide to do whatever Putin tells them? Or maybe suddenly adopt American and Russian way of life, like Italians burn their Fiat 500's and order Ford F-150's, throw away their wine…

"End of Europe" as a coherent entity that's willing and able to look after its own interests. Even as Ukrainians die in the meat grinder and Germany is lauded as Ukraine's best friend in Europe, millions of dollars of dual-use technology products from Germany continue to transship into Russia via Kazakhstan. Imagine if it was 1942 and Britain was still shipping millions of dollars of weapons components into Germany v…

>"End of Europe" as a coherent entity that's willing and able to look after its own interests.

Europe doesn't have coherent interests across the board but every country acts purely in its own interest even if it's at the expense of the other member states. EU is an org that replaced the battlefield so Europeans don't have another world war with each other but instead backstab themselves tough politics in the EU parlaiment.

See the illegal immigration issue that still hasn't been solved since 2015 and instead of solving it, they just ban anti-illegal-immigration right wing candidates or parties from being allowed to take part in elections and pretend the issue went away.

>Imagine if it was 1942 and Britain was still shipping millions of dollars of weapons components into Germany via Sweden or Switzerland?

1) Britain was at war directly with Germany in 1942, but Germany is not fighting Russia, Ukraine is, as the proxy, so German corporations can afford to profit form this war as the government looks away. Big difference. There's Realpolitik and then there's idealistic fantasy.

2) Britain could afford to declare war on Germany because Germany didn't have nukes, while now Russia has nukes and Germany doesn't. Even "better", Germany made its economy dependent on Russian gas. Britain didn't have its economy dependent on resources imported from Germany. Huge differences that make such comparisons not even in the same ballpark.

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Post by throwawayoldie »

Tepix wrote: post #166
DaSHacka wrote: post #140

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> #1 among high income countries in Cardiovascular disease (CVD) mortality, drug overdose deaths, Deaths from violence and accidents, Infant mortality, Obesity-related mortality.

...and also #1 in healthcare costs, which just adds an expensive insult to multiple injuries.

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Post by amarka »

deadbabe wrote: post #44

There are other countries.

Let me fill you in on a secret: one of the reasons behind US’s dominance is that even though “there are other countries” that could do the hard science, the US is one of the only ones that did. Now the US is at risk of becoming just another one of those “other countries“.

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Post by throwawayoldie »

perrygeo wrote: post #92

If this administration doesn't want to do anything to solve climate change, that's their choice. It's a terrible choice, but it's in their power to do so. However, there's a huge difference between dismissing the severity of the evidence vs. going out of your way to hide evidence. The first is born of arrogance. The later is naked cowardice - they know exactly how wrong they are. If they wanted to project strength, t…

All (most?) bullies are cowards.
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