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IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Post by mopsi »

Theodores wrote: post #141
lordofgibbons wrote: post #73

This genocide has, for many people, burst any illusions of a "rules based world order". There multiple EU signatory countries of the Rome Statute (pledging to cooperate with ICC) that have welcomed these war criminals... who have warrants out by the ICC. And the same war criminals are invited to give a speech at the U.S Congress to near unanimous applause. It really makes you wonder if we're the "good guys". -- edit…

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Almost no-one[1] recognizes Crimea as part of Russia because it was entirely manufactured. Unmarked foreign soldiers invaded a country, pretended to be local rebels, staged a referendum and immediately asked to join the invading country to give the shameless land grab a veneer of legitimacy. It's a total joke that has nothing in common with genuine ethnic conflicts. The referendums in Crimea and elsewhere had to be staged because even internal polling leaked from the Russian military admin showed that nowhere did the local population support the invasion; speaking German doesn't mean that you want to live in the Third Reich.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembl...

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Post by wat10000 »

alluro2 wrote: post #177

I visited Israel for a sports seminar some ~10 years ago and met many nice people. I felt sympathetic to their reality of living in an ever-hostile environment from all sides, and struggle to keep their place in the world safe. I admired their resilience and strength. When this Gaza conflict started, I saw how the Israeli protested against their government and demanded peace, so I thought there is a semblance of an e…

I’m becoming very skeptical of the “bad government, good people” idea. Governments need popular support. This goes even for horrible dictatorships. There are degrees, of course. An oppressive state can survive with less popular support than a democracy. But it still needs a decent amount. The machinery of dictatorship is as much about keeping popular support as it is about forcing people to suppress their opposition.

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Post by avip »

xg15 wrote: post #227
johnebgd wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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If that were true, the Palestinians in the West Bank should be living in peace and prosperity. Yet they aren't...

They are considerably better off than Gazans, though I'd agree "living in piece and prosperity" would not be the first adjective comes to mind.

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Post by cropcirclbureau »

yoavm wrote: post #263
cropcirclbureau wrote: post #211

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Israel and people of Jewish heritage has a lot of soft-power in the west. And the anti-terrorism rhetoric that Israeli's using to sell this has has previously been deployed by the west to cover up it's own crimes.

I would argue that the Muslim world has gained quite some political power in the West, perhaps as a simple result of immigration. The EU for example seem to have about 50 times more Muslims than Jews. Anti-terrorism rhetorics has indeed previously led to terrible crimes, but I wouldn't suppose that's a reason to support pro-terrorism rhetorics. It's probably best to look at the content instead of the type of rhetoric…

You're not making sense my friend. The recent Muslim immigrants have nothing to do with soft power and I don't see how that's relevant to this context. Are you saying that it counters the influence that Israel has?

And if we're talking about terrorism, IDF and Mossad are very much known to deploy terror tactics across a lot of their historical engagements. The definition of the word doesn't hinge on designation by a Western organization. And the vast majority of "pro-palestine" people in the world are not Iran proxies and secret anti-semites. They're actually, for the most part, young people that are working from a place of empathy and horror. The most blatant and harmful propganda in this whole mess is the attempt to designate pro-palestine protestors anti-semites and secretly in support of Iran and Hamas policies. What a terrible cheapening of the word. Point is, the ones using the most pro-terror rhetoric are those trying to defend the IDF right now.

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Post by souldeux »

wakeupcaller wrote: post #277
Cyph0n wrote: post #259

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The commenter is probably referring to Hezbollah and Iran. And yes, the IDF has been relying on abhorrent & violently escalatory tactics since at least 1982 (Lebanon invasion). On that note, I recently picked up an excellent book (“Our American Israel”) that dives pretty deep into the US-Israel relationship, and spends a good chunk of time on how the invasion of Lebanon was received by the West. There are definitely…

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Post by hedora »

wakeupcaller wrote: post #251
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #249

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Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Is there a reason to disbelieve the soldiers’ testimony?

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Here's a story from NPR that makes much stronger claims agaist Israel (and cites sources) than the Haaretz story:

https://www.npr.org/2025/06/28/nx-s1-5449587/israel-gaza-haa...

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Post by MSFT_Edging »

wakeupcaller wrote: post #245
sdeframond wrote: post #183

As a westerner, I feel ashamed that my country is Isreal's ally. It makes me guilty by association because the western world is letting Israel commit thoses atrocities. Worse, we are helping them when they need it, and closing our eyes when they don't want us to watch.

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what about the last two years of video evidence of all the other war crimes?

The bodies of burnt children. The reports of doctors who document multiple sniper rounds found in the bodies of small children and toddlers?

I've been seeing reports about internet connectivity being very touch and go in Gaza the last few weeks.

Is it not unreasonable to think, those who are starving the most might not have internet/electricity to charge a device/care to document when they're starving?

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