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Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by nottorp »

pkage wrote: post #264
focusedone wrote: post #239

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I used to think that, not having used an iPad. Now I carry a work-issued iPad with 5G and it's actually pretty convenient for remote access to servers. I wouldn't want to spend a day working on it, but it's way faster than pulling out a laptop to make one tiny change on a server. It's also great for taking notes at meetings/conferences. It's irritatingly bad at consuming media and browsing the web. No ad blocking, so…

There's native ad blocking on iOS and has been for a while—I've found that to significantly enhance the usability of the device. I use Wipr[0], other options are available. [0]: https://kaylees.site/wipr2.html

I use Wipr on my phone, the experience is a lot worse than ublock origin on desktop...

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by amelius »

WhyNotHugo wrote: post #192
dedicate wrote: post #19

Okay, the AI stuff is cool, but that "Containerization framework" mention is kinda huge, right? I mean, native Linux container support on Mac could be a game-changer for my whole workflow, maybe even making Docker less of a headache.

The ground keeps shrinking for Docker Inc. They sold Docker Desktop for Mac, but that might start being less relevant and licenses start to drop. On Linux there’s just the cli, which they can’t afford to close since people will just move away. Docker Hub likely can’t compete with the registries built into every other cloud provider.

They got Sherlocked.

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Post by echelon »

sph wrote: post #173
echelon wrote: post #57

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This reads like the crotchety and persnickety 60-somethings in the 1990's who said the internet was a passing and annoying fad.

It is impossible to have a negative opinion of AI without silly comments like this just one step removed from calling you a boomer or a Luddite. Yes all technological progress is good and if you don’t agree you’re a dumb hick. AI maximalists are like those 100 years ago that put radium everywhere, even in toothpaste, because new things are cool and we’re so smart you need to trust us they won’t cause any harm. I’ll k…

On the other side of that are the people screaming that AI is murder.

There are lots of folks like this, and it's getting exhausting that they make being anti-AI their sole defining character trait: https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtistHate

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Post by mehdibl »

dedicate wrote: post #19

Okay, the AI stuff is cool, but that "Containerization framework" mention is kinda huge, right? I mean, native Linux container support on Mac could be a game-changer for my whole workflow, maybe even making Docker less of a headache.

It's a VM just like WSL... So yeah.

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by BrandonSmith »

raydev wrote: post #263
NewJazz wrote: post #159

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What would these be useful for?

Clean build environments for CICD workflows, especially if you're building/deploying many separate projects and repos. Managing Macs as standalone build machines is still a huge headache in 2025.

What's wrong with Cirrus CLI and Tart built on Apple's Virtualization.framework?

https://tart.run

https://github.com/cirruslabs/cirrus-cli

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by w10-1 »

HN should have a conference-findings thread for something like WWDC, with priority impact rankings

P4: Foundation models will get newbies involved, but aren't ready to displace other model providers.

P4: New containers are ergonomic when sub-second init is required, but otw no virtualization news.

P2: Concurrency now visible in instruments and debuggable, high-performance tracing avoid sampling errors; are we finally done with our 4+ years of black-box guesswork? (Not to mention concurrency backtracking to main-thread-by-default as a solution.)

P5: UI Look-and-feel changes across all platforms conceal the fact that there are very few new API's.

Low content overall: Scan the platforms, and you see only L&F, app intents, widgets. Is that really all? (thus far?) - It's quite concerning.

Also low quality: online links point no where, half-baked technologies are filling presentation slots: Swift+Java interop is no where near usable, other topics just point to API documentation, "code-along" sessions restating other sessions.

Beware the new upgrade forcing function: adding to the memory requirements of AI, the new concurrency tracing seems to require M4+ level device support.

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Post by pxc »

NewJazz wrote: post #159
pxc wrote: post #137

I hoped for a moment that "Containerization Framework" meant that macOS itself would be getting containers. Running Linux containers and VMs on macOS via virtualization is already pretty easy and has many good options. If you're willing to use proprietary applications to do this, OrbStack is the slickest, but Lima/Colima is fine, and Podman Desktop and Rancher Desktop work well, too. The thing macOS really painfully…

What would these be useful for?

Providing isolated environments for CI machines and other build environments!

If the sandboxing features a native containerization system relied on were also exposed via public APIs, those could could also potentially be leveraged by developer tools that want to have/use better sandboxing on macOS. Docker and BuildKit have native support for Windows containers, for instance. If they could also support macOS the same way, that would be cool for facilitating isolated macOS builds without full fat VMs. Tools like Dagger could then support more reproducible build pipelines on macOS hosts.

It could also potentially provide better experiences for tools like devcontainers on macOS as well, since sharing portions of your filesystem to a VM is usually trickier and slower than just sharing those files with a container that runs under your same kernel.

For many of these use cases, Nix serves very well, giving "just enough" isolation for development tasks, but not too much. (I use devenv for this at work and at home.) But Nix implementations themselves could also benefit from this! Nix internally uses a sandbox to help ensure reproducible builds, but the implementation on macOS is quirky and incomplete compared to the one on Linux. (For reasons I've since forgotten, I keep it turned off on macOS.)

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Post by marcalc »

aequitas wrote: post #250
WhyNotHugo wrote: post #192

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The ground keeps shrinking for Docker Inc. They sold Docker Desktop for Mac, but that might start being less relevant and licenses start to drop. On Linux there’s just the cli, which they can’t afford to close since people will just move away. Docker Hub likely can’t compete with the registries built into every other cloud provider.

There is already a paid alternative, Orbstack, for macOS which puts Docker for Mac to shame in terms of usability, features and performance. And then there are open alternatives like Colima.

Use OrbStack for sometime, made my dev team’s m1 run our kubernetes pods in a much lighter fashion. Love it.

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Post by pxc »

BrandonSmith wrote: post #295
raydev wrote: post #263

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Clean build environments for CICD workflows, especially if you're building/deploying many separate projects and repos. Managing Macs as standalone build machines is still a huge headache in 2025.

What's wrong with Cirrus CLI and Tart built on Apple's Virtualization.framework? https://tart.run https://github.com/cirruslabs/cirrus-cli

Tart is great! This is probably the best thing available for now, though it runs into some limitations that Apple imposes for VMs. (Those limitations perhaps hint at why Apple hasn't implemented this-- it seems they don't really want people to be able to rent out many slices of Macs.

One clever and cool thing Tart actually does that sort of relates to this discussion is that it uses the OCI format for distributing OS images!

(It's also worth noting that Tart is proprietary. Some users might prefer something that's either open-source, built-in, or both.)

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Post by shawnz »

mdaniel wrote: post #114
watermelon0 wrote: post #89

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Using a hypervisor means just running a Linux VM, like WSL2 does on Windows. There is nothing native about it. Native Linux (and Docker) support would be something like WSL1, where Windows kernel implemented Linux syscalls.

Surely if Windows kernel can be taught to respond to those syscalls, XNU can be taught it even easier. But, AIUI the Windows kernel already had a concept of "personalities" from back when they were trying to integrate OS/2 so that zero-to-one for XNU could be a huge lift, not the syscalls part specifically

WSL1 didn't use the existing support for personalities in NT
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