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Can I stop drone delivery companies flying over my property?

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Re: Can I stop drone delivery companies flying over my property?

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Post by Yeul »

bobthepanda wrote: post #83
Yeul wrote: post #45

How is drone delivery economically feasible? The carry weight is negligible, the range is paltry and they still require operators- whom I'm sure earn more than your average white van man.

there are niches in places where the roads are bad/congested/otherwise and the cargo is particularly high value. I remember reading about a delivery use case for blood bags in the African countryside.

Hmmm yeah I suppose it makes sense to drop off something in the middle of nowhere. Not expecting to see them buzzing around the Netherlands. We have roads.

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Post by DrillShopper »

wiether wrote: post #270
aeternum wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>almost nothing is going to stop them Except for those 4-8 prop blades spinning at high rpm. Then multiple layers of packaging to get the item. It'll be interesting to see if it actually happens, my prediction is that trash bags will still be preferable risk/reward.

According to the company's own video, there's a lot of attack surface outside of the blades. And birds incidents with actual planes show that it's not the same reasoning as human warfare : inflicting damage to the enemy while taking none. For delivery companies it won't matter if the birds got out safely or died in the process of destroying their $$$$ drones. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW5LbZMx6Wo

I would argue it would be worse for the company if the birds died because once that gets all over the Internet I have a feeling that demand for any service that kills birds would drop significantly.

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Post by potbelly83 »

Joker_vD wrote: post #252

waves his hands right before your nose "The air is common! I am not touching you!" Well, it's still obnoxious. Either fly over the roads, or fly high enough (50 m? 100?) to be unreachable.

Exactly! The majority of drone enthusiasts are insufferable, repeating the old mantra, "FAA allows to do what we like". I can't wait for some of these cases to hit the supreme court where they can put a stop to applying laws that were meant to govern manned aircraft applying to someone with a drone.

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Post by IAmBroom »

hippari2 wrote: post #194
Balgair wrote: post #80

Aside: It's going to be a great time when the crows, raccoons, and other semi-intelligent wildlife discover that these drones have food in them at seemingly random reward schedules. Sure, you can give the drones little tasers to keep the animals away, depending on your locality. But knowing what I know about bears and crows, almost nothing is going to stop them. Especially when some influencer jerk tries tempting a b…

I wonder what's stopping them from erecting random wire mesh that will damage drone flying through them.

Vertical towers require permits and provably safe design.

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Post by IAmBroom »

benced wrote: post #203
Aziell wrote: post #183

I live in a pretty quiet neighborhood, and I’m not thrilled about the idea of drones flying over my backyard all the time. There’s something really jarring about sitting outside and suddenly hearing that loud buzzing overhead. I don’t think anyone’s really asked regular people how they feel about this kind of thing.

Delivery drones are larger and therefore quieter (larger propellor = more pleasant tone and lower RPM) and fly higher than the consumer drones you’re probably familiar with.

The assertion that larger drones are quieter than small ones is amusing.

"As you can hear for yourself, this Apache helicopter is nearly unnoticeable next to this handheld drone."

Re: Can I stop drone delivery companies flying over my property?

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Post by IAmBroom »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #286
thih9 wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wikipedia says: "Currently, some aircraft, such as helicopters, balloons, and ultralights have no minimum safe altitudes."[1]. I don't know if drone counts as one of them, but I'm not aware of a specific number being listed as a minimum safe altitude for a drone either. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Causby

Right but presumably that's a hole in the existing precedent that the court needs to address. I'm reasonably certain that if my neighbor intentionally maneuvers a cherry picker 5 feet over my roof they are trespassing. I can't imagine that changing from a bucket on an arm to a balloon will change that (assuming there's intent). So at what point does it change from "my property" to "public airspace above my property"?…

The FAA doesn't rule on cherry pickers, so that isn't a valid analogy.

Drone regulations are solidly established. The law isn't determined by uninformed commenters on a web forum. And "the effective range of a 12 gauge" will result in jail time. I worked for an autonomous drone company that had a price point around $30,000; destroying one of those could be felony-level vandalism.

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Post by paulddraper »

adolph wrote: post #117
paulddraper wrote: post #3

Has a very easy answer in the US: No. You do not own your airspace. The FAA owns your airspace. You can build a tall structure (subject to local laws). But anything above that is outside your control. --- This article, however, is about Ireland.

> You do not own your airspace. The FAA owns your airspace. This kinda begs the question of what is meant by "airspace." If the term means a geometric volume that is generally occupied by materials in a gaseous state, then does the FAA own the airspace within one's home? Does the FAA control how cars drive down the airspace of a road? No, that is absurd. The common use of aircraft smaller than humans and capable of p…

The FAA requires registration of any drone >250g, no matter where altitude you fly it at.

So there’s that.

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Post by paulddraper »

3cats-in-a-coat wrote: post #5
paulddraper wrote: post #3

Has a very easy answer in the US: No. You do not own your airspace. The FAA owns your airspace. You can build a tall structure (subject to local laws). But anything above that is outside your control. --- This article, however, is about Ireland.

So who pays your medical bills when one of those falls on your head. FAA or the delivery company?

Who pays your medical bills when one of those cars jump the curb and hits you?

The state transport authority or the automobile driver?

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Post by rurp »

anonymars wrote: post #99
mulmen wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In yet others, they can occupy parts of national parks and have an armed standoff with federal agents, again with no real consequences. What situation are you referencing here? First one that comes to mind is Malheur but one of them was killed and 7 went to prison.

I imagine they're thinking of the Bundy standoff (which was federal BLM land but not a national park) To wit: > The Bundy standoff’s most significant legacy may be the precedent it established: that armed resistance against federal authorities could succeed without serious legal consequences for participants. This outcome has had a profound impact on antigovernment extremist movements, creating what experts describe…

The Obama administration's decision to do nothing in that case is one of several extremely risk averse decisions that seemed questionable at the time and turned out to be quite bad in hindsight. Shrugging off Russia's invasion of Ukraine being another. It shouldn't have been a surprise that letting armed militias break federal law with little to no consequence would encourage further bad behavior.

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Post by IAmBroom »

op00to wrote: post #93
SoftTalker wrote: post #7

In my neighborhood (rural) a drone hovering over someone's property would be likely used as target practice. If delivery drones become commonplace, there are going to have to be regulations about which air corridors they can use (altitude and routes) or it will be chaos.

There are regulations about what air corridors they can use in the US.

More accurately, there are regulations about what air corridors they cannot use in the US.
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