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Post by ehsankia »

hollowturtle wrote: post #87
ehsankia wrote: post #81

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> burying the creatives among us in a pile of AI generated content. Isn't the creativity in what you put in the prompt? Isn't spending hundreds of hours manually creating and rigging models based on existing sketch the non-creative work that is being automated here?

How does a prompt describe creativity? It's a vision so far off that it's so frustrating because greater creativity came from limited tools, greater creativity came from imperfections, a different point of view, love, a slightly off touch of a painter or a guitar player, the wood of the instrument and the humidity affecting. I can go on and on, prompts are a reduction to the minimum term of everything you'd want to d…

I agree that limitation does lead to some creativity, but I wouldn't say lack of limitation means no creativity. Saying prompts have no creativity is like saying books or scripts have no creativity compared to a movie. Not only that, these tools can actually take images and sketches.

Imagine a world where you have a scene fully sketched out in your head (i.e. creativity), you have the script of what will happen, sketches of what the scene looks light, visual style, etc. You want to make that become reality. You could spend a ton of time and money, or you could describe it and provide sketches to an AI to make it come true.

Yes, the limitations in the former can make you take creative shortcuts that could themselves be interesting, but the latter could be just as true to your original vision.

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Post by codezero »

methuselah_in wrote: post #289

Well all this is great from a technology point of view. But what about millions of jobs in the film industry in animation, motion artists etc? Why is it feeling like few humans are making sure others stop eating and living a good life?

what about all the cartographers, the printing press workers, the stables that tend to the working horses?

Technology is inevitable and it's a tool, advancing technology will always leave people who specialize and are unable to adapt in a bad position, but this won't stop technology from advancing.

I think one could argue this is one of the reasons many people would like their community/government to provide social safety nets for them. It would make specializing less risky in a time when technology advances at a fast pace.

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Post by Aurornis »

alpaca128 wrote: post #276
Clamchop wrote: post #173

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There's a pretty standard argument that creating artworks should or must require the hardship of developing the skill to bring vision into reality, or paying someone who can. That can be debated, but the position is textbook gatekeeping. Other disapproval comes from different emotional places: a retreading of ludditism borne out of job insecurity, criticism of a dystopia where we've automated away the creative experi…

Gatekeeping means restricting power or opportunities. Is it gatekeeping when a skill can be learned for free, and on top is also optional? Is it also gatekeeping to forbid students from using ChatGPT for homework because it would force them to go through the hardship of earning an education? I have seen what 99% of people are doing with this "clear and present value". Turns out when you give people a button to print…

> Gatekeeping means restricting power or opportunities.

Gatekeeping commonly means excluding others from a group, a label, or an identity. That’s what they’re referring to.

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Post by emkoemko »

alickz wrote: post #271
alpaca128 wrote: post #138

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How is the requirement to use a computer and maybe pay a cloud subscription in the long term more accessible than other kinds of art? Which individuals are gatekept exactly? Before you bring up disabled people (as often happens when the term accessibility is used), know that many of them are not happy to be used as a shield for this without ever being asked and would rather speak for themselves. I've tried AI image g…

>How is the requirement to use a computer and maybe pay a cloud subscription in the long term more accessible than other kinds of art? Because many other kinds of art require thousands of hours to learn before getting to the level of current AI The real gate keeper to art isn't the cost of a pencil, it's the opportunity cost of learning how to use it Some people have creative ideas they cannot realise and tools like…

so its for lazy people? who don't want to learn a skill? there are many ways to realize your creativity, and now you have to write your "prompt" for your creative result? then why not just write a story? like authors have been doing for ever ?

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Post by danabenson »

methuselah_in wrote: post #289

Well all this is great from a technology point of view. But what about millions of jobs in the film industry in animation, motion artists etc? Why is it feeling like few humans are making sure others stop eating and living a good life?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite

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Post by emkoemko »

duped wrote: post #164
ahmedfromtunis wrote: post #88

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The amount of gatekeeping I see when this topic is brought is outstanding! Why can't people be happy that more individuals would be soon able to create freely in a more accessible way? Personally I can't wait to see the new creative doors ai will open for us!

> Why can't people be happy that more individuals would be soon able to create freely in a more accessible way? The gates are wide open for those that want to put in effort to learn. What AI is doing to creative professionals is putting them out of a job by people who are cheap and lazy. Art is not inaccessible. It's never been cheaper and easier to make art than today even without AI. > Personally I can't wait to se…

i think real art will just go underground kind of like how it was pre internet, and the internet will be filled with AI slop

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Post by IncreasePosts »

methuselah_in wrote: post #289

Well all this is great from a technology point of view. But what about millions of jobs in the film industry in animation, motion artists etc? Why is it feeling like few humans are making sure others stop eating and living a good life?

Do you feel the same way about all the human computers that computers put out of work?

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Post by dragonwriter »

tootie wrote: post #220
lenerdenator wrote: post #94

I do find myself wondering if the people working on this stuff ever give any real thought to the impact on society that this is going to have. I mean obviously the answer is "no" and this is going to get a bunch of replies saying that inventors are not to blame but the negative results of a technology like this are fairly obvious. We had a movie two years ago about a blubbering scientist who blatantly ignored that to…

Remember when they fired Timnit Gebru for publishing on AI safety?

Ethics, not safety. AI safety as a term became a big focus after that, largely pushed by big AI vendors, and largely as a way of refocusing attention away from the issues being raised by people working in AI ethics.

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Post by emkoemko »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #234
ahmedfromtunis wrote: post #175

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And that's exactly how your brain work. What you call "creativity" is nothing more than exactly that: mixing ideas and thoughts you were exposed to. We're all building on others' work. The only difference is that computers do it on a much larger scale. But it's the very same process.

But you aren't being creative here. Just using the 'average' of tons of actually creative peoples work to create an 'average' computer predicted scene. The opposite of art. Warhol already did it and did it better. If I see a painting, I see an interpretation that makes me think through someone else's interpretation. If I see a photograph, I don't analyze as much, but I see a time and place. What is the photographer t…

artist have a style,you can see a work of art and know who made it, with these AI images its all random all over the place no direction, they can call them self's artists but i will never see them as that
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