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Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

buzer wrote: post #101
gwd wrote: post #85

> When 2:50 rolled around and your meeting was supposed to end, do you think people actually ended the meeting? Noooooo. Absolutely not! At U of M, they solved this problem by having classes officially start 10 minutes after the time they were advertised as. That is, a class listed as being 10-11am was actually 10:10-11am; nobody showed up until 10:10. Sure, technically it's the same thing, but there's a pretty massi…

In Finland the universities (and I believe in many other European universities have/had this as well) there was "academic quarter" which meant that if something was scheduled for 10am it would actually start at 10:15am. IIRC if they used precise time (10:00) then it would actually start at that time. I've heard it dates back to when people didn't have easy access to precise time. It would allow students to hear the h…

Same in slovenia, in technical colleges at least.

For some lectures it was great, you really needed those 15 minutes to get coffee, go to the bathroom, etc., but for some late afternoon stuff, you just wanted to shorten the last three breaks to 5 minutes and leave half an hour early.

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Post by throwaway2037 »

shermantanktop wrote: post #65
apercu wrote: post #59

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> neither side understands the other. Being late is viewed as rude or lacking respect for others by a lot of people. Do people who are habitually late view prompt people as rude for being on time?

Not everywhere is like wherever you are. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2005-dec-11-tr-insid... Non-punctual cultures can view on-time people as clueless, over-eager, and annoying.

The exact opposite can also be true, so not much is being said here. Try being late to a meeting in Germany or Japan. It is disrespectful.

Are there any highly developed countries where the business culture is still "non-punctual"? I struggle to think of any. In short, if you have two businesses side-by-side, and one operates more punctually, then it will probably out-compete the other. To be clear, I'm not talking about social culture. Yes, Italians might be late by an hour to go to dinner with friends, but I doubt people in Milan will be so late to a sales meeting with client.

Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

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Post by throwaway2037 »

apercu wrote: post #159
jxjxn wrote: post #116

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I don't get why you are getting downvoted If an interviewee is half an hour early to a meeting that is rude if they actually expect to start now instead of the scheduled time

That's a tough one. I lived in Toronto for many years and traffic and public transportation are unpredictably - it could take me an hour or it could take me three hours. Sure, if I was early a there was coffee shop near by that's an option. So I like to have a little compassion for people, especially working people.

    > I lived in Toronto for many years and traffic and public transportation are unpredictably - it could take me an hour or it could take me three hours.
Honestly, I find this hard to believe. A huge amount of the world (think all of retail and factories) operates on shifts. How could a place be and stay wealthy if transport times were so wildly unpredictable? It doesn't make sense. And, I write this assuming that Toronto is the wealthiest city in Canada.

Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

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Post by throwaway173738 »

ryandrake wrote: post #287
degamad wrote: post #274

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The request is not to transfer the burden onto the 90%, but to design a system where the 10% are able to participate without impeding the 90%. For example, if students enter from the rear of the room, then delayed students can join without disrupting the on-time students. If we start the design process with the awareness that some students will be late, then we can design systems which support all students.

Here’s a process for that 10%: wake up 30 minutes earlier to create a buffer that allows for unexpected events like traffic and for expected events like “I just can’t seem to be on time, maybe I’m sick.”

I’ve been in the 90% at times and in the 10% at others. People should be entitled to grace, and we shouldn’t just assume anyone who isn’t absolutely punctual is a malingerer. Unless you live alone on a thousand acres you’re perpetually giving other people grace for their foibles and they’re giving you grace for yours.

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Post by bumby »

outworlder wrote: post #278
bumby wrote: post #246

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I’m all for empathy, tolerance, and flexibility (to a reasonable degree). I also don’t think it’s reasonable to expect a professor to act on an assumption of illness when the person actually experiencing the symptoms does not hold that assumption. Your perspective makes it seem like the prof is privy to information about your health that you don’t have.

You are being purposely obtuse. Illness is only one of the possible issues a student may have that may be impacting them. A little flexibility goes a long way.

I have no problem with the professor being flexible if he so chooses. I think the difference is I don’t levy an expectation that he is. I also don’t think he’s unreasonable for expecting people to be on time in a professional setting.

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Post by QuarterReptile »

shakna wrote: post #273
Aeolun wrote: post #264

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It also allows the people actually in the class a lesson uninterrupted by random people for variety of good/bad reasons. Most 90% of students is not late on any given day. Should they all be penalized for the actions of a few?

So you're happy to punish 10% of students, for no fault of their own. You'll trade a moment's distraction, for a paid-for day's learning. That, is a lack of empathy. Especially as for about the last hundred years universities have had a process that allows for the necessary flexibility. To take this to the extreme... Should we simply fire everyone who is late to work, without reason? If someone else causes a car acci…

Come now, we can be more extreme than that! Late for class, your city gets nuked. Forget an assignment, bioweapon deployed. Bomb an exam, and you're on the first plane to the front lines in Ukraine.

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Post by EasyMark »

buzer wrote: post #101
gwd wrote: post #85

> When 2:50 rolled around and your meeting was supposed to end, do you think people actually ended the meeting? Noooooo. Absolutely not! At U of M, they solved this problem by having classes officially start 10 minutes after the time they were advertised as. That is, a class listed as being 10-11am was actually 10:10-11am; nobody showed up until 10:10. Sure, technically it's the same thing, but there's a pretty massi…

In Finland the universities (and I believe in many other European universities have/had this as well) there was "academic quarter" which meant that if something was scheduled for 10am it would actually start at 10:15am. IIRC if they used precise time (10:00) then it would actually start at that time. I've heard it dates back to when people didn't have easy access to precise time. It would allow students to hear the h…

so did things end at 11:15am as I imagine a lot of times there was something to be done in the next hour of 11AM?

Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

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Post by EasyMark »

ketzo wrote: post #234
buzer wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Finland the universities (and I believe in many other European universities have/had this as well) there was "academic quarter" which meant that if something was scheduled for 10am it would actually start at 10:15am. IIRC if they used precise time (10:00) then it would actually start at that time. I've heard it dates back to when people didn't have easy access to precise time. It would allow students to hear the h…

This thread is absolutely fascinating — American, never heard of this practice (esp ct/st), and desperately want it in my life now!

Yep I even had one professor who locked the door at the start of class. You either had to pound on the door to get in or accept defeat. Most people just walked away unless it was an exam day

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Post by djoldman »

immibis wrote: post #252
scotty79 wrote: post #189

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In Poland "academic quarter" has a sense that if the teacher didn't show up and it's 15 minues past, the students can leave. They still need to show up for the class at 00 every time and are scolded to varying degree if they showed up after the teacher started which they do right after they arrive.

At my university in New Zealand they didn't take attendance for lectures. You attended the lectures so you could learn stuff so you could pass the exams. It's surprising that isn't considered normal. (There's some nuance to that statement as science courses tende to have labs - I don't remember why first-year physics was a requirement for software engineering, but it was - mathematics courses tended to have weekly as…

That's how it was for me in college in the USA.

As an aside, it's a little absurd that people wouldn't go to class given how much money they're paying.

Private colleges are around $39k USD per year. That's a lot of dough per class-hour.

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