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Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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Legacy car companies haven't realized that good UX is no longer optional. If the system people use to interact with your car is unpleasant or unusable garbage, it ruins the whole car. Just like it doesn't matter how good your kitchen is if the waiter is rude and spits on the food in front of the customer.

And yet most of the companies don't seem to be willing to spend the one-time cost of getting the UX right.

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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I want a 7-10” central display that spends 99% of its time showing CarPlay but also has a radio if I need it, the backup camera when I’m in reverse, and lets me change a couple of settings for convenience features like auto locking etc. Everything else can be dials, knobs, and buttons. My Mazda3 is perfect for this and I’m quite sad that I’m almost certainly not going to be able to find anything like it by the time I…

My Renault Megane e-Tech is basically this[1]. Well it's a 12.3" screen but if you're in the UK you can get the one with the smaller screen. Not sure why you'd want that though.

Anyway, it runs Android Automotive, but supports Android Auto and CarPlay as well. My SO uses the former exclusively and it's on as soon as she gets in the car, can't imagine it's any different for CarPlay.

If you run the Automotive shell, you can have a media widget at the bottom which can be set to radio, shown here[2], I listen to DAB that way.

It also has a row of physical buttons for the important stuff, like climate control, defrost and such. Media and volume controls are on the steering wheel.

[1]: https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/first-official-pictur...

[2]: https://cdn.automobile-propre.com/uploads/2021/09/megane-ren...

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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Ford SYNC. https://pictures.dealer.com/s/surprisefordvtg/0292/10a2adba8... It's like a window into hell.

I've got a Ranger with SYNC 4. HVAC has its own set of buttons and dials below the display, but you can use the touchscreen widgets too if you want to. https://www.ford.com.au/content/ford/au/en_au/home/owners/te...

Depends on the vehicle. Maverick Sync 4 moved HVAC controls to touch screen for 2025 models.

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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Hardware companies trying to build software, without actually understanding software. There's a reason why Apple, Nvidia, Tesla got where they got to.

Apple has famously poor software ("better than Microsoft" is not an impressive bar to clear). Apple (and Tesla, for that matter) "got where they got to" because they're luxury fashion brands, and luxury fashion brands don't compete on actual quality, they compete on perceived quality, which means that the most important skills they need to understand are marketing and presentation.

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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Remove the LTE chip and all functionality related to ads, support wireless CarPlay and android auto, and use physical buttons. You’ll win every award in the industry.

Slate have done this and it's really quite compelling. You even get window winders. https://www.slate.auto/en/personalization

I was quite interested in this until I realized:

* Bed size is just five feet

* Towing capacity is just 1000 lbs

* Not AWD

None of these can be retrofitted after the sale.

Where I live, it'd struggle to be called a "truck" with these limitations.

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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Mazda has done a great job at this so far, very minimal screen which automatically just shows CarPlay, and buttons for all the normal car stuff, which also isn’t overdone. The only flaw is the scroll wheel to interact with the screen, which is just slightly too clunky in apps with too many options

My 2017 Mazda cx5 refuses to not play the radio. There is no "off" for the audio, you have to choose a source. I use my phone, via bluetooth. But sometimes, for unknown reasons, the car does not connect with the phone. It then falls back to the last source chosen before BT, which is radio. Okay, so I created a flash drive with an mp3 of 30 seconds of silence, played that, then went back to bluetooth. This failback st…

Ah yes, Mazda. The car company which won't even give you a fuse box diagram, and instead says to contact the dealer if a fuse blows.

https://www.cx90forum.com/threads/fuse-box-diagram.172/

Something foul and malign is afoot at Mazda these days.

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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I'm getting IG videos in my feed for a company that sells after market fixes because older Teslas have such poorly designed electronics, that they fail in common ways. The memory goes bad because they write useless logs to a chip, and it eventually fails. End users are beta testing... https://www.instagram.com/reel/DINADISyP0f/

That’s always been the case with Tesla. I still have no idea how the yoke with no progressive steering and a tiny button for a horn ever passed any sanity check. Not to mention the NHTSA.

Oh, I wish they would install tiny horn buttons on all the vehicles in Vietnam! In that country, the horn is a method of communication, much to the ire of literally everyone trying to exist.

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ok but why tho??? I have a lot of interest in embedded system can someone tell me if there are any course that taught this??

I learned embedded in the school of hard knocks.

Yeah but I want to make my time effecient, because failure which cost hardware can be expensive

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Look at aftermarket MMI boxes. They do this for $150. (Screen and controls not included because they use the factory ones.) Someone should tell an automobile manufacturer. It’d save them ~ $1B.

What is an "MMI box?"

Multimedia Interface?

Re: Car companies are in a billion-dollar software war

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> Thus, the double-edged sword of SDVs. They are more upgradeable and flexible than their predecessors, but that advantage allows companies to deliver under-baked software with a “fix it later” approach.

The article seems to overlook the fact that if you can receive a benevolent update over the air, you can also receive a malevolent one over the air. Over-the-air is not a good update model for cars. It would be better if you had to install the update manually.

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