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Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by idiotsecant »

ctvo wrote: post #207

As a long time Kagi user, the thing I miss the most is Google Maps integration for search results. It's nice to search for a restaurant or an address, see results for it, and with one click open up Google Maps to see how to get there and nearby attractions. Google Maps is such a large moat for Google, especially in locations that Apple Maps (the only real alternative) has poor coverage. Outside of that use case, I en…

Yes, kagi has a Google maps link built in but it doesn't integrate very smoothly. It ends up linking to strange results in Google maps. I would almost prefer that kagi just integrated Google maps until the kagi maps product is mature. It's my only stumbling block using kagi

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by bmacho »

scarface_74 wrote: post #285
bmacho wrote: post #254

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Having bugs is okay. That particular reply however is gross and controversial on so many levels. If you have a bug at a partner, you don't claim that it is intended and "I do understand how this may be unexpected". If it affects multiple users, you don't do opt-in refunds (which is again, illegal, and is a scam if intentional). > Maybe they're secretly twirling their evil mustaches figuring out how to scam their prev…

> will look into adding a workaround for this auto-renewal so that we can prevent that in the future for other users What more do you want? A user complained, they offered a refund and they said they would look into fixing it.

Automatic refund everyone involved?

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by omgitspavel »

jeroenhd wrote: post #97
flymaipie wrote: post #40

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Is there any sensible explanation why Kagi does funding Yandex? It seems weird to me.

Yandex isn't on any sanctions list as far as I know, so Kagi is free to do business with Yandex. Yandex did need to reorganize (as their Dutch tax avoidance parent company was obviously causing them issues) but looking at https://ir.yandex/press-releases?year=2024&id=05-02-2024 it seems like all of Yandex has been sold to a generic Russian investment fund. Legally, Kagi can buy access to Yandex' API. Whether they sho…

Legally they can. But we all know that Yandex had always had very strong ties with the Russian government. I used to work for Yandex for more than 6 years in early 2010s and even then there were signs of the state trying to influence it through censoring Yandex.News and various other means. And these days you have to be very naive to assume that it is not controlled by the state and people close to it.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by packetlost »

kristofferR wrote: post #208
packetlost wrote: post #145

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That's weird because Kagi is one of the few subscriptions that gives me an email heads up days before they charge me during the normal monthly cycle.

I'm not sure if it's a Norwegian law or an EU law, but companies here are forced to regularly send reminders that you are subscribed to them, I've gotten them from all the major streaming services I've subscribed to.

We lack such strong consumer protection laws in the US, so I'm pleasantly surprised when something so basic like this happens.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by alexjplant »

nottorp wrote: post #264
idiotsecant wrote: post #242

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10 dollars is like, a sandwich. Access to your search engine for a month is less useful than a sandwich?

> 10 dollars is like, a sandwich In Silicon Valley? Does Kagi only want to sell to techbros?

Nice troll. A footlong Ultimate BMT is $11.29 in Wichita before taxes (I just checked).

Kagi builds an excellent product for a very fair price. Direct your ire elsewhere.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by joseda-hg »

jrmg wrote: post #263
seth_at_kagi wrote: post #167

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Hey, Engineer from Kagi here. This is not something we intentionally do here, and is a feature of Stripe to automatically renew at the end of a trial if there is a payment method present. It should have also sent you an email about 7 days before it was going to renew. With that said, I do understand how this may be unexpected. I will look into adding a workaround for this auto-renewal so that we can prevent that in t…

It’s plausible that I didn’t see the email because it got spam filtered away, so I totally believe that one was sent. On contacting support: to your (Kagi’s) credit, Kagi did cancel the subscription and refund the fee after I contacted support. But if I hadn’t been scrutinising my credit card statements for other reasons, I suspect it may have been a few months before I noticed. [edit: Thinking more: if their ‘no fee…

Depending on the dates, "no fee if you don't use it" might not have been in place yet

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by buzzerbetrayed »

robertlagrant wrote: post #271
idiotsecant wrote: post #242

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10 dollars is like, a sandwich. Access to your search engine for a month is less useful than a sandwich?

$10 is many sandwiches.

It’s also less than a single sandwich. Not sure how “it depends on the sandwich” adds to the conversation. The point still remains.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by coldpie »

28304283409234 wrote: post #203
coldpie wrote: post #102

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Could you give some examples of specific queries (like, tell me exactly what to type into the search bar) where you find Kagi returns better results than Google or DDG? I tried Kagi a couple times and didn't notice a significant difference in result quality, so I'd like to see what people find so nice about it.

To me, it is not the results that are the kicker. It is that I no longer have to waste my time filtering out Google customers paying for my attention. Every result in Kagi is there to try to help ME. Not Google. Not their customers. And even though DDG is fine privacy-wise, in this regard they are no better than Google.

> It is that I no longer have to waste my time filtering out Google customers paying for my attention.

Can you explain what this means in more detail? (To be clear, I'm not trying to be adversarial, I'm asking for a sales pitch :) )

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by FrinkleFrankle »

bmacho wrote: post #286
FrinkleFrankle wrote: post #275

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Mate. This guy is a software engineer and taking time out of his day to help a client on a forum and explaining why this might happen.. And is also taking the user input back to his employer to hopefully find a way to improve the user experience. It's also not a scam. If you sign up for a trial that tells you you'll be charged at the end and don't bother to notify yourself.. That's 100% legal, 100% expected and 100%…

> Mate. This guy is a software engineer and taking time out of his day to help a client on a forum and explaining why this might happen.. Yep. That explains why is it gross, controversial, and admits a scam. Which is okay, I guess. I've read much worse. (For example, in this very thread. From the person I'm just answering.) I was just surprised that someone reading it felt that he needs to give money Kagi immediately…

I clearly skimmed the thread too much. The quote from your e-mail is definitely misleading.

I do not like to see a helpful engineer being given a hard time.. But that is a worse look for Kagi than I was aware of.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by Zambyte »

neogodless wrote: post #110

About a year ago, I tried the free 300 search trial. I liked it, but wasn't ready to commit to the expense. This year, they offered me a free 30 day unlimited trial, so I'm about 10 days into that. I've only used 128 searches so far. What I seem to find is that I use it, get to what I'm looking for, and move on. So it's not really on my mind. But it's subtly refreshing to spend less time fighting search to get what I…

> But I have not objectively done comparisons to try to figure out if it's better or not.

The default search results are nice quality, comparable to Google (they use Google as one of their sources for results). The customization is what makes it head and shoulders better than the rest. I usually don't even see Kagi. In my workflow. Combining snaps, ! (I'm feeling lucky bang), and account level raising and lowering, I can pretty much get exactly where I want on the web just from a query in my URL bar that navigates straight there.

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