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Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by antononcube »

Rochus wrote: post #250
antononcube wrote: post #110

The creation of music by AI brings to mind a quote from David Bowie: “Music itself is going to become like running water or electricity. So take advantage of these last few years, because this will never happen again. Get ready for a lot of touring, because that's the only unique experience left.” While Bowie had different reasoning for making that statement, it's interesting to think that with AI-generated music, hi…

> his idea of "music like water or electricity" might finally come true That was already the case with Spotify & Co. where music has become an anonymous commodity. People order by mood or playlist and rarely care about who composed, produced or played the music, even if the meta data are available. From the user's perspective, AI makes mostly the selection process more precise. I don't think people will care much whe…

I think nightcore versions of your pieces would be of interest...

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Post by AstroBen »

Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #122
jagaerglad wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think there would be any art or writing to do if there was absolutely no "laundry and dishes", conflict, either. The Wall-e future seems more consistent with that honestly, but maybe I'm just revealing an ugly part of my own personality

This is contradicted by the fact that, throughout history, there have been tons of rich people who not even once had to do laundry or any other menial tasks. Many of them were interested in art or produced it. And many led fulfilling lives without getting depressed from not working as some people fear.

Well the difference is those rich people didn't have to work for money, so had the time and energy to devote to those passions

I'm not sure what society would look like if and when AI takes over all artistic and creative work. People that would otherwise have a fulfilling career pushed to do menial tasks just to earn an income?

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by fuhsnn »

dist-epoch wrote: post #92
ipaddr wrote: post #21

The interest in ai music generation is lower than I initially thought. I jumped in but felt the exercise lacked the joy of making music physically or with software like pro tools. With pro tools you control the thousands of knobs which gives you more control. These AI models take away that connection. You can play around with different words to get different results but it's like painting with a shotgun. No one wants…

> No one wants to hear other people's ai songs because they lack meaning and novelty. And hear I was thinking that many people listen to songs because they like the sounds of it, but apparently it needs to have "meaning".

Identity of the creator and the piece has always been a big part of music appreciation. Imagine how dystopian would be if you ask someone their favorite and the answer is "the music that HitAI generated when promoted 'sad song for happy people' when I was 17, but their model has since changed and my subscription didn't include offline ownership, it's lost forever."

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by AstroBen »

collias wrote: post #93

I find this to be profoundly depressing. I've just recently re-discovered the joy of writing my own songs, and playing them with (actual) instruments. It's something I get immense pleasure from, and for once, I'm actually getting some earned traction. In another life, I may have been a musician, and it's something I fantasize about regularly. With all these AI-generated music tools, the world is about to be flooded w…

> It's going to to absolutely drown out anyone trying to make music honestly

The world is saturated with low quality everything already. Has been for a long time, even before AI. If you're genuinely good you'll be able to stand out

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Post by cardanome »

lnenad wrote: post #193
summerlight wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well you know, all those fun and creative parts in software engineering has been taken over by vibe coding and now humans are supposed to do only tedious works, so probably the same thing applies here.

> Well you know, all those fun and creative parts in software engineering has been taken over by vibe coding What? In what way? Fun and creative parts are thinking about arch, approach, technologies. You shouldn't be letting AI do this. Typing out 40 lines of a React component or FastAPI handler does not involve creativity. Plus nobody is forcing you to use AI to write code, you can be as involved with that as you'd…

> Plus nobody is forcing you to use AI to write code, you can be as involved with that as you'd like to.

I had management "strongly encourage" me to use AI for coding. It will absolutely be a requirement soon for many people.

The more generative AI you use the more dependent you become of it. Code bases need to be structured different to be friendly to LLM's. So even if you might work somewhere where you technically don't have to use AI, you will need it to even make sense of the code and be competitive.

The job of an software engineer for the most part will change fundamentally and there will be no going back. We didn't know how good we had it.

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Post by Applejinx »

cousin_it wrote: post #213
antononcube wrote: post #110

The creation of music by AI brings to mind a quote from David Bowie: “Music itself is going to become like running water or electricity. So take advantage of these last few years, because this will never happen again. Get ready for a lot of touring, because that's the only unique experience left.” While Bowie had different reasoning for making that statement, it's interesting to think that with AI-generated music, hi…

> Get ready for a lot of touring, because that's the only unique experience left Until someone makes an AI guitar pedal that corrects sloppy playing.

We've had that for years in the DAW and autotune and snapping to grid.

The result's pretty boring and interchangeable, and that's largely what AI music is trained on. Accuracy is not novel here. Ever since the 80s it's been increasingly possible to augment musical skill or lack of, with technology.

I don't think we're very close to correcting for sloppy intentionality. Only to correcting 'mistakes', or alternately adding them in the belief that doing stuff wrong is where the magic is.

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Post by Rochus »

antononcube wrote: post #291
Rochus wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> his idea of "music like water or electricity" might finally come true That was already the case with Spotify & Co. where music has become an anonymous commodity. People order by mood or playlist and rarely care about who composed, produced or played the music, even if the meta data are available. From the user's perspective, AI makes mostly the selection process more precise. I don't think people will care much whe…

I think nightcore versions of your pieces would be of interest...

Just try to do so. The music is CC licensed, which explicitly allows you to remix, tweak, and build upon the original work, which includes creating derivative works like nightcore versions. Send me a link of the result ;-)

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Post by cardanome »

concats wrote: post #252
XenophileJKO wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are on to the key insight here.. what is emerging is the creative consumer. I.e. I know what I want when I hear it. Or I know what I want when I see it. This means you can hear something and say.. you know this is nice, but I would like it more if it were different in this way. With generative tools you can do that. Personally I really like to listen to music, but I generally dislike the lyrics. I want uplifting…

My theory is that as the quality of these generative tools increase, we'll see the public opinion of them slowly shift. Regardless of philosophy (although discussing it is always fun), it just seems inevitable since there are so many more consumers than producers. And as you say, consumers are the ones that will primarily benefit from this new technology. As a consumer we care primarily (some could argue solely) abou…

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Post by Applejinx »

flanked-evergl wrote: post #162
antononcube wrote: post #110

The creation of music by AI brings to mind a quote from David Bowie: “Music itself is going to become like running water or electricity. So take advantage of these last few years, because this will never happen again. Get ready for a lot of touring, because that's the only unique experience left.” While Bowie had different reasoning for making that statement, it's interesting to think that with AI-generated music, hi…

The musicians of the 19th century were free to produce anything they liked. They were free to write a "Missa Solemnis" where the very silence is breathtaking, where one does not merely hear that God has died, but where one feels His rebirth. And what have they done? Have they produced in their liberty anything grander or more beautiful than the scrawling of the deaf composer? Have they summoned sounds more jubilant t…

If you stay hung up on an intellectual interpretation of what Bowie's doing, firstly you're right where he wants you, he'll play with you like a toy and in so doing, he'll have a grand time, he loved that even at times when his life was faltering.

Secondly, you overlook the glee with which he collaborated with people to jointly express their humanity, and who inspired him to do this. You can read the lyrics and parse them all you like, but what does it FEEL like when you've soaked up the whole song and are at that moment of…

"Ain't there one damn song that can make me…"

That's not even getting into my personal faves like Station to Station, Scary Monsters, where he's venting some really personal stuff and turning it into sound-as-art and also hellacious good funk, with the most gifted companions you could wish for.

Bowie liked to record vocals in one take, just fling himself into expressing and run with whatever he had in the tank that day, and it communicates like mad. He's maybe the canonical example of the opposite to AI music. In bringing that to fruition, I'm certain he understood countless joys. You gotta express many other things than just joy to have hit records, but then Beethoven excelled at that as well.

I've doubtless taken more trouble than I needed to, rebutting what could have been a GPT-extruded troll of an argument, but it was fun :)

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