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Discord's face scanning age checks 'start of a bigger shift'

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Re: Discord's face scanning age checks 'start of a bigger shift'

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Edited to delete my comment. I was mistaken about who was replying to who. As such my comment was entirely wrong.

What? There's zero suggestion in ndriscoll's comment that he's talking about "extremely violent porn". The most specific he gets is "furry porn", which might be a kink you don't approve of but is not obviously more objectionable than "people having sex".

I made a mistake about who stavros was replying to. I edited my comment.

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why wouldn't an identity/age verification scheme that blinds both sides work? e.g. a site wants to have some proof of identity. it generates a token and sends the user with it to a government service. the service verifies the user's identity, signs the token and sends the user back. now the site knows that the government service has verified the identity (and relevant characteristics, like age threshold), but doesn't…

It wont work because gov has no interest in not knowing which service the user is trying to authenticate themself to, it is in its interest to connect these informations. We see exactly these attempts every 2-4 years in the eu parliament.

i suspect it's a matter of how you sell the idea of this service to the governments.

i agree that the usual overreach will stand in the way, but i feel (perhaps wrongly) that the idea hasn't been pitched in earnest.

Re: Discord's face scanning age checks 'start of a bigger shift'

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why wouldn't an identity/age verification scheme that blinds both sides work? e.g. a site wants to have some proof of identity. it generates a token and sends the user with it to a government service. the service verifies the user's identity, signs the token and sends the user back. now the site knows that the government service has verified the identity (and relevant characteristics, like age threshold), but doesn't…

You mean like the DiD w3 spec? https://www.w3.org/TR/did-1.0/

It's not _double_ blinded but it allows end users control over information shared and has proof of ownership built into it.

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Please point me to where the original comment mentioned anything about violence.

Thought the comment in question was a reply to loic. The mistake is mine.

Ah, fair enough, that's an easy mistake to make, I've replied to the wrong comment many times too.

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A long, long time ago (within the past ten years), I had to verify my age with a site. They didn't ask for my ID, or my facial scan, but instead asked for my credit card number. They issued a refund to the card of a few cents, and I had to tell them (within 24hr) how much the refund was for, after which point they'd issue a charge to claw it back. They made it clear that debit and gift cards would not be accepted, it…

I basically agree with you, but it's not like you could not be tracked using your credit card number.

This is not about tracking, having your biometrics means they can resell the data to other providers (e.g. palantir or some other hellish enterprise). With that, the places and means of following you in real time are practically limitless...

There have been so many dystopian movies about this kind of tech, it's a good insight of what comes next.

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> trying to get everyone to filter We never needed everyone to filter, just parents busy lobbying the government to impose crap onto every possible service and website across the entire world. Instead, they should purchase devices for their kids that have a child-lock and client-side filters. All sites have to do is add an HTTP header loosely characterizing it's content. 1. Most of the dollar costs of making it all h…

There's a peer / social issue at play as well though. If you believe that smart phones are disastrous for kids (I happen to think so), and don't allow your 13yo daughter to have one, you are pretty much forcing her to be the odd one out. Maybe that's OK for some parents, but you can't deny that this cost exists. Preventing your son from playing certain video games that all of his friends enjoy also has a social cost.…

It's important to teach our children that different people have different restrictions. Some of my daughter's friends have no phone. One of them has no phone, but does have a tablet. To the best of my knowledge, none of them are ostracized by the group. I mean, I've seen them hanging out at our house and other places.

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So does being vegetarian or vegan. So does being not the dominant culture in any aspect of life. That's a decision for parents to make and honestly "they'll be left out" is such a crap parenting take. Especially since it's a bunch of parents together who don't want their kid to have access thinking this together. If they actually talked to each each or just made a stand so people could see, we wouldn't even have this…

Your points only make sense in the absence of bad and/neglectful parents. For many decades it was required to prove age in order to consume porn. Porn on the internet ought to have the same requirement. I don’t know the best way to implement it but since the industry isn’t trying to find a solution then government should impose one.

Then the government should come up with a good way to prove age that does not negatively impact privacy. It shouldn't be possible for "who is viewing what porn (or other thing)" to be accidentally leaked; because it should be possible to not store the "who" part.

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A long, long time ago (within the past ten years), I had to verify my age with a site. They didn't ask for my ID, or my facial scan, but instead asked for my credit card number. They issued a refund to the card of a few cents, and I had to tell them (within 24hr) how much the refund was for, after which point they'd issue a charge to claw it back. They made it clear that debit and gift cards would not be accepted, it…

I don't really get your point, surely a credit card is even more strongly linked to your identify than your face?

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A long, long time ago (within the past ten years), I had to verify my age with a site. They didn't ask for my ID, or my facial scan, but instead asked for my credit card number. They issued a refund to the card of a few cents, and I had to tell them (within 24hr) how much the refund was for, after which point they'd issue a charge to claw it back. They made it clear that debit and gift cards would not be accepted, it…

What if you don't have a credit card? This solves nothing, the good way to do this is as system like Polish "MojeID" (my ID) [1]. This works in the following way, a site needs to verify information X, then it redirects users to a bank (that has to provide this service), login over there and then agree to let the bank know whatever it was requested - it could be only one information, birth date.

This is a good solution, as banks are obliged to provide free bank account for anyone (there is EU regulation on that), this is very save, gives users full information what data third party requested.

[1] https://www.kir.pl/nasza-oferta/klient-indywidualny/identyfi...

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They're not synonymous but a vast amount of pornography available online constitutes violence against women. The commercial sex trade, including both porn and prostitution, is a multi-billion dollar industry that seeks to normalize extreme acts and promotes the dehumanisation of women and girls.

So why would the solution to dehumanising women be "minors shouldn't be able see it"?

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