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Re: How University Students Use Claude

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Post by protocolture »

user432678 wrote: post #98
papichulo2023 wrote: post #29

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It is helping me do that projects that would otherwise take me hours in just a few minutes, soooo, shrug.

What kind of projects are those? I am genuinely curious. I was excited by AI, Claude specifically, since I am an avid procrastinator and would love to finish tens of projects I have in mind. Most of those projects are games with specifical constraints. I got disenchanted pretty quickly when started actually using AI to help with different parts of the game programming. Majority of problems I had are related to poor u…

AI is really good at coming up with solutions to already solved problems. Which if you look at the Unity store, is something in incredibly high demand.

This frees you up to work on the crunchy unsolved problems.

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Post by vasco »

wombatpm wrote: post #287
djhn wrote: post #196

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It’s a quote from a character in Heinlein’s fiction. A human character with a lifespan of over a thousand years. I too liked that quote and found it inspiring. Until I read the book, that is.

I know the character is Lazarus Long. Which book was this quote in?

This is one of the cases where you should indeed rely on Google.

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Post by laichzeit0 »

goatlover wrote: post #211
freeone3000 wrote: post #206

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“You won’t always have a calculator” became moderately false to laughably false as I went from middle to high school. Every task I will ever do for money will be done on a computer. I’m still garbage at arithmetic, especially mental math, and it really hasn’t inhibited my career in any way.

It's pretty annoying in customer service when someone handing you back change has difficulty doing the math. There's been many times doing simple arithmetic in my head has been helpful, including times when my hands were occupied.

I don’t know where you live, but I haven’t used nor carried cash on me for at least 5 years now. Everything either takes card or just tap using your phone/watch. Everything. Parking meters, cashiers, online shopping, filling up your car. I live in a “third world” country too.

Re: How University Students Use Claude

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Post by holden_nelson »

mbesto wrote: post #110
noitpmeder wrote: post #44

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This is an insane take. The issue is that, when presented with a situation that requires writing legibly, spelling well, or reading a map, WITHOUT their AI assistants, they will fall apart. The AI becomes their brain, such that they cannot function without it. I'd never want to work with someone who is this reliant on technology.

Do you work with people who can multiply 12.3% * 144,005.23 rapidly without a calculator? > The issue is that, when presented with a situation that requires writing legibly, spelling well, or reading a map, WITHOUT their AI assistants, they will fall apart. The parent poster is positing that for 90% of cases they WILL have their AI assistant because its in their pocket, just like a calculator. It's not insane to thin…

When in human history has a reasonably educated person been able to do that calculation rapidly without a calculator (or tool to aid them)? I think it's reasonable to draw a distinction between "basic arithmetic" and "calculations of arbitrary difficulty". I can do the first and not the second, and I think that's still been useful for me.

I do agree that it's a fair point to ponder. It does seem like people draw fairly arbitrary lines in the sand around what skills are "essential" or not. Though I can't even entertain the notion that I shouldn't be concerned about my child's ability to spell.

Seems to me that these gains in technology have always come at a cost, and so far the cost has been worth it for the most part. I don't think it's obviously true that LLMs will be (or won't be) "worth it" in the same way. And anyways the tech is not nearly mature enough yet for me to be comfortable relying on it long term.

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Post by ramraj07 »

ketzo wrote: post #223
aj7 wrote: post #222

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I’m a physicist. I can align and maximize ANY laser. I don’t even think when doing this task. Long hours of struggle, 50 years ago. Without struggle there is nothing. You can bullshit your way in. But you will be ejected.

barely related to your point but “I can align and maximize ANY laser” is such an incredibly specific flex, I love it

Especially because it's not a skill everyone gets just because they practice. I know because I tried for years lol.

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Post by [deleted] »

mbesto wrote: post #110
noitpmeder wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an insane take. The issue is that, when presented with a situation that requires writing legibly, spelling well, or reading a map, WITHOUT their AI assistants, they will fall apart. The AI becomes their brain, such that they cannot function without it. I'd never want to work with someone who is this reliant on technology.

Do you work with people who can multiply 12.3% * 144,005.23 rapidly without a calculator? > The issue is that, when presented with a situation that requires writing legibly, spelling well, or reading a map, WITHOUT their AI assistants, they will fall apart. The parent poster is positing that for 90% of cases they WILL have their AI assistant because its in their pocket, just like a calculator. It's not insane to thin…

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Post by enjo »

dtnewman wrote: post #14

> A common question is: “how much are students using AI to cheat?” That’s hard to answer, especially as we don’t know the specific educational context where each of Claude’s responses is being used. I built a popular product that helps teachers with this problem. Yes, it's "hard to answer", but let's be honest... it's a very very widespread problem. I've talked to hundreds of teachers about this and it's a ubiquitous…

> it's literally "let me paste the assignment into ChatGPT and see what it spits out, change a few words and submit that".

My wife is an accounting professor. For many years her battle was with students using Chegg and the like. They would submit roughly correct answers but because she would rotate the underlying numbers they would always be wrong in a provably cheating way. This made up 5-8% of her students.

Now she receives a parade of absolutely insane answers to questions from a much larger proportion of her students (she is working on some research around this but it's definitely more than 30%). When she asks students to recreate how they got to these pretty wild answers they never have any ability to articulate what happened. They are simply throwing her questions at LLMs and submitting the output. It's not great.

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Post by motorest »

codedokode wrote: post #255
crooked-v wrote: post #162

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That's a quote that sounds great until, say, that self-built building by somebody who's neither engineer nor architect at best turns out to have some intractible design flaw and at worst collapses and kills people. It's also a quote from a character who's literally immortal and so has all the time in the world to learn things, which really undermines the premise.

> self-built building by somebody who's neither engineer nor architect That is exactly how our ancestors built houses. Also a traditional wooden house doesn't look complicated.

> That is exactly how our ancestors built houses. Also a traditional wooden house doesn't look complicated.

The only homes built by our ancestors that you see are those that didn't collapsed and killed whoever was inside, burned down, were too unstable to live in, were too much of a burden to maintain and keep around, etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias

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Post by azemetre »

pugio wrote: post #187

I've used AI for one of the best studying experiences I've had in a long time: 1. Dump the whole textbook into Gemini, along with various syllabi/learning goals. 2. (Carefully) Prompt it to create Anki flashcards to meet each goal. 3. Use Anki (duh). 4. Dump the day's flashcards into a ChatGPT session, turn on voice mode, and ask it to quiz me. Then I can go about my day answering questions. The best part is that if…

Flash cards are some of the least effective ways to learn FYI and retain info.
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