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Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by whiplash451 »

OvbiousError wrote: post #269
csomar wrote: post #185

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> hus forcing EU to invest in their own tech & military, thus becoming a competitor to the US products. Not sure how you made the jump here. EU is signalling increased military spending but there isn't really much talk about tech (beyond reddit-like enthusiasm which leads nowhere); which is funny because the top referrals for this site are .. american companies themselves. That being said, increased spending doesn't…

Signalling? Talks about investing 800 billion in the military industry across the EU would have been unthinkable 4 months ago. Now they're proceeding at a speed that is staggering when you see how long these talks/processes normally take. EU cloud is certainly much discussed, and more than that. Holland for instance voted and accepted a resolution last week for more digital sovereignty. This doesn't mean we'll have a…

It's unclear how this EU momentum will stand the test of time, even if the war in Ukraine were to stop quickly.

Where do these 800 bn really come from, how fast they will transform into R&D and products, how much the industrial status quo is going to change? These are hard questions that remain unanswered.

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Post by concerndc1tizen »

concerndc1tizen wrote: post #145
7bit wrote: post #133

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I believe most users here are not in favor of Trump, and these snarky and confrontative remarks are generally a bad tone.

There are plenty of pro-Trump users on HN.

My comment being downvoted is interesting. Is it pro-Trump users disagreeing that they are pro-Trump? Or democrats disagreeing that there are pro-Trump users?

I've had numerous encounters with people in the comments who were pro-Trump, who basically seemed to support corporate slavery.

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Post by isoprophlex »

dachworker wrote: post #267
iammjm wrote: post #118

Europeans were perfectly happy to buy American tech und military exports, thus earning U.S. money and making EU technologically and politically dependent from the U.S. - it really was perfect for the U.S. But the US decided that it was actually a BAD DEAL and they wanted to extort even more money and dependence from EU. So now EU is investing in their own tech and military, thus reducing the amount of money US is get…

There is a weird attitude among European elites where on the one hand, they point out how European countries have always been in a subservient position within the American sphere of influence, but then, instead of cheering that this era is ending, they seem to be all upset about it and want their collar to be put back on. Help me understand this. To me it seems that maybe the interests of EU elites differ from the in…

I don't recognize this attitude at all. But I'm no elite anywhere.

Thinking about it, it's not so weird? We beat the nazis together, we've generally enjoyed world peace, freedom, and the joys of neocolonialism. Things were sailing along just fine.

Now things are all weird and fucked up and we have to worry about fucking russia, defense spending in general, the fate of greenland, cloud computing and all that shit?

Putting it like that, I'd like things to go back to the way they were too...

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Post by graemep »

sfn42 wrote: post #281
pjc50 wrote: post #204

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Trying to parse a comment where someone implies that nationalism and racism are bad but also that ""woke"" (diluted into meaninglessness by over use) is .. also bad?

It's two extremes. As with most things it's a spectrum, too far to either side isn't great. On the one hand you have racists and bigots, on the other you have people insisting that we should be asking everyone their preferred pronouns before addressing them and men who decide that they are now women should be allowed to compete in women's sports leagues, oh and actually gender is just a social construct because some…

Close to my view.

Gender IS a social construct though - but sex is not and people conflate the two. The other problem is that if something is a social construct you cannot claim it is also an absolute truth.

Race is also a social construct, which a lot of people who are woke seem to have trouble dealing with - a lot of people who accept gender self-identify seem to be unwilling to accept race self-identify.

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Post by spiderfarmer »

jjevanoorschot wrote: post #276
dachworker wrote: post #267

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There is a weird attitude among European elites where on the one hand, they point out how European countries have always been in a subservient position within the American sphere of influence, but then, instead of cheering that this era is ending, they seem to be all upset about it and want their collar to be put back on. Help me understand this. To me it seems that maybe the interests of EU elites differ from the in…

An important distinction is that US and EU interests aligned on many important areas up until recently. So it was less of a subservient relationship, and more of a mutually beneficial one. Now that the US wants to turn it into a subservient relationship, the EU is naturally looking for other options.

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

rvba wrote: post #227
pjmlp wrote: post #105

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Thanks for the overview, naturally tarifs might change that, see Canada, no US products any longer on big chains.

Coca cola is bottled locally. It does not make any sense to move water, sugar, nor the syroup. Probably they move a bit of their secret sauce, but rest is probably sourced locally. So impact of tariffs on coke in Germany is mininal. During WW2 german bottlers missed some ingredients so they've started making Fanta.

Surely they ship [components of] the syrup because otherwise they have to ship the raw coca leaves? Is the global supply of coca extract processed by the Stepan company in USA?

Profits move the other way through IP payments.

We can cut off the bleeding of profits by buying products with locally owned IP.

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Post by buyucu »

dachworker wrote: post #267
iammjm wrote: post #118

Europeans were perfectly happy to buy American tech und military exports, thus earning U.S. money and making EU technologically and politically dependent from the U.S. - it really was perfect for the U.S. But the US decided that it was actually a BAD DEAL and they wanted to extort even more money and dependence from EU. So now EU is investing in their own tech and military, thus reducing the amount of money US is get…

There is a weird attitude among European elites where on the one hand, they point out how European countries have always been in a subservient position within the American sphere of influence, but then, instead of cheering that this era is ending, they seem to be all upset about it and want their collar to be put back on. Help me understand this. To me it seems that maybe the interests of EU elites differ from the in…

Those elites have known nothing but subservience. They simply can't imagine anything else.

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Post by Macha »

spwa4 wrote: post #141
mentalgear wrote: post #106

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Globalisation in itself wouldn't be as bad, if the profits were equally distributed. But most often globalisation just means taking away worker and consumers protections so mega corporations can outsource manufacturing/labour/services to cheaper countries with low or no environmental / social protections. Before Globalisation of markets there must be a globalization of citizen rights to the highest standards.

Yes ... that's how every empire has worked since the dawn of time. You make countries join an empire, first voluntarily, mostly because at that point, the tiny militaries just aren't strong enough to force the issue, then through military force and this provides economic benefits through scale and sharing of know-how. This is then used to make the empire grow in a feedback loop. Economics and technology, and in turn…

> Of course, as Ireland and Scotland can explain, by then the exit is closed.

I mean, the exit was always closed to Ireland, from the initial invasion onwards. That wasn't a case of choosing to be in until you're trapped, Ireland was conquered (and subject to periodic ethnic cleansing in the plantations, reprisals etc.)

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Post by _zamorano_ »

MrJohz wrote: post #278
dachworker wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a weird attitude among European elites where on the one hand, they point out how European countries have always been in a subservient position within the American sphere of influence, but then, instead of cheering that this era is ending, they seem to be all upset about it and want their collar to be put back on. Help me understand this. To me it seems that maybe the interests of EU elites differ from the in…

Can you give some examples of this attitude? I'm not sure I've seen that behaviour anywhere, and it's very difficult to look up examples when your description is so vague.

With Nord Stream, the elites tried to gaslight their population using the media into believeng an stupid made-up story about how Russia blowed up their own pipe.

Very convenient for the US, not so for the EU

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