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Post by ayewo »

philjohn wrote: post #198
fastball wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So he said nothing about ADHD.

"to get off Adderall" Are you trying to claim that because he didn't specifically mention ADHD, despite mentioning the drug used to treat ADHD, that he's not talking about ADHD despite him holding views about neurodiversity that are at odds with the published literature on their treatment?

Adderall is a drug commonly abused by people without an ADHD diagnosis.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/16/magazine/generation-adder...

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Post by leftcenterright »

oefrha wrote: post #246
leftcenterright wrote: post #230

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Being detained is way worse than being denied entry. > I was then placed in a real jail unit: two levels of cells surrounding a common area, just like in the movies. I was put in a tiny cell alone with a bunk bed and a toilet. > The best part: there were blankets. After three days without one, I wrapped myself in mine and finally felt some comfort. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-det... How i…

That exact same article says someone has been tossed around in that system for ten months. That’s just someone among the 100-200 people they met. That same article even has photos of the system from the 2000s. There’s a photo of people sleeping on the floor wrapped in the exact kind of aluminum sheet “blankets” dated 2014. It’s been going on for very long. (Btw, I suspect it’s only getting attention now that the more…

The links you shared in your original comment all pointed to "rejections", not "legal people being detained".

What has always been going on: people overstay their visa, depending on the scale and country, people get treated badly almost always in these cases.

What is happening now: people being critical of Trump are being rejected, legal visa holders are being detained because of the scale of the abuse.

These are clearly very different things and very much a fault of specifically Trump administration. Searching phones and messages to look for Trump critical messages .. unbelievable and totally new stuff is going on here: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/trump-musk-f...

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Post by Jolter »

fastball wrote: post #239
philjohn wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"to get off Adderall" Are you trying to claim that because he didn't specifically mention ADHD, despite mentioning the drug used to treat ADHD, that he's not talking about ADHD despite him holding views about neurodiversity that are at odds with the published literature on their treatment?

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. Are you trying to claim that all users of Adderall have ADHD? Because that is the only way you can say "well he is effectively talking about ADHD if he is talking about adderall", but that conflation is objectively untrue. Countless people without ADHD abuse adderall / ritalin / etc. In fact, people without ADHD are much more in need of an intervention if they are abusing addera…

You could make the exact same argument about his mention of SSRIs. "Oh, he just means all the people without depression, who are abusing SSRIs."

No, you're being intentionally disingenuous here. Obviously, he dislikes the fact that these drugs are being prescribed to patients, and he would prefer it if they were not. I'm sure he imagines that these "farms" would be a better treatment for depression than SSRIs are, and likewise for the other drugs and conditions.

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Post by leftcenterright »

oefrha wrote: post #14
mmooss wrote: post #11

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The first isn't the same at all: Chinese scientists were prevented from attending based on an official government policy, not randomly arrested and detained. The second and third are the same incident, from the prior Trump administration. But the visa was denied; nobody was arrested or detained.

People are randomly arrested and detained base on official government policy. And they have been arresting and detaining people long before Jan 2024, but it was scaled up recently. A recent story made it clear that some people with minor visa overstays have already been detained for months: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43410548 The fact is if you care about people from all around the world being able to atten…

> “This measure was apparently taken by the American authorities because the researcher’s phone contained exchanges with colleagues and friends in which he expressed a personal opinion on the Trump administration’s research policy,” the minister added.

I don't think this has been a basis for denying entry to people in past?

Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Post by Jolter »

chgs wrote: post #178
istjohn wrote: post #134

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> Senior described Schmidt being “violently interrogated” at Logan Airport for hours, and being stripped naked, put in a cold shower by two officials, and being put back onto a chair. > She said Schmidt told her immigration agents pressured him to give up his green card. She said he was placed on a mat in a bright room with other people at the airport, with little food or water, suffered sleep deprivation, and was de…

Apologists don’t consider this torture. This type of treatment of innocent prisoners has been common for decades in America.

It's torture even if applied to guilty people. But your point is valid, it's just "how to treat prisoners". Having no privacy on the toilet as a default is dehumanizing in itself but may not be torture, but sleep deprivation by strong lights and inadequate heating certainly is, according to most definitions of torture.

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Post by singularity2001 »

bloppe wrote: post #194

This website mixes some very real and very big problems (erosion of basic freedoms and rights in the US) with some entirely hallucinated ones (concentration camps for people with ADHD, and torture ? I'd certainly want to learn more about that than a passing mention). Personally I think the hyperbole only serves to cheapen the real problems.

Gitmo is still active (!?)

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Post by onli »

sharpshadow wrote: post #283
onli wrote: post #233

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It sure is, until it isn't. And it strongly depends on where you are in the country. I highly doubt you live comfortably in a Nazi area.

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That's of course not true in the slightest, but it is the image the new Nazi party is painting. I recommend you stop consuming afd content.

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Post by oefrha »

leftcenterright wrote: post #292
oefrha wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That exact same article says someone has been tossed around in that system for ten months. That’s just someone among the 100-200 people they met. That same article even has photos of the system from the 2000s. There’s a photo of people sleeping on the floor wrapped in the exact kind of aluminum sheet “blankets” dated 2014. It’s been going on for very long. (Btw, I suspect it’s only getting attention now that the more…

The links you shared in your original comment all pointed to "rejections", not "legal people being detained". What has always been going on: people overstay their visa, depending on the scale and country, people get treated badly almost always in these cases. What is happening now: people being critical of Trump are being rejected, legal visa holders are being detained because of the scale of the abuse. These are cle…

> ... now: ... legal visa holders are being detained

I disagree. These legal visa holders are caught for small (or slightly larger) infractions, like a previous visa revocation due to running a cannabis business, sort of working (helping?) on a non-work visa, obviously planning to work on a non-work visa, etc. These could always (at least after 911?) land you in big trouble in the U.S. if you have the wrong nationality and/or skin color. I believe these were almost completely ignored by (mainstream) press because most Americans won't sympathize with them, they are obviously illegals, criminals, terrorists, etc. Now that Canadians/Western Europeans are caught in the system, suddenly people with the same infractions or suspected infractions are obviously legal visa holders.

I personally know someone with the wrong nationality and wrong color who was detained at the border (maybe not technically "detained"? let's say held) for no apparent reason for hours and got their devices searched, then released and allowed to enter. That was either 2013 or 2014. Thankfully not weeks or months.

The only fundamental change now is the bar is lowered and sympathizable (to most Westerners) people are being caught in it.

And I maintain that people who actually valued inclusion shouldn't have held conferences in the U.S. since a long time ago, if ever.

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Post by sharpshadow »

onli wrote: post #297
sharpshadow wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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That's of course not true in the slightest, but it is the image the new Nazi party is painting. I recommend you stop consuming afd content.

Regarding your knowledge on this topic your recommendation is an insult. Every month a crazy asylum seeker drives into a crowd of people here, I don’t make this up look it up. All kinds of outdoor festivities are undergoing brutal security regulations, making them unprofitable and many don’t even happen anymore because of this. Not even mentioning the knife crimes which are absurdly. Nazi crimes are the lowest they have been in history. Most problematic are the antisemitic tendencies from the Palestinian movement at the moment.

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Post by q3k »

_2d30 wrote: post #91
croes wrote: post #66

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How long did his deportation take? Because two weeks in jail what could be a simple flight home sounds fishy. And I wouldn’t want to gamble if I‘m one of the unlucky ones that you described as looking bad. That kind of uncertainty is exactly what makes those travels unnecessarily dangerous. That’s not hysterical it‘s cautious.

I don’t quite remember and would have to ask. I think he was detained for 5 days, maybe? > Because two weeks in jail what could be a simple flight home sounds fishy. The inefficiency of American institutions is nearly limitless. Don’t put too much stock in the glacial pace of our bureaucracy as being malicious when it happens everywhere else out of broad incompetence. > That’s not hysterical it‘s cautious. Again, I a…

> The inefficiency of American institutions is nearly limitless. Don’t put too much stock in the glacial pace of our bureaucracy as being malicious when it happens everywhere else out of broad incompetence.

The purpose of a system is what it does.

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