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Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Post by AlecSchueler »

lurk2 wrote: post #289
AlecSchueler wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Fundamentally this is not a question of whether or not I can pull up specific comments that meet your interpretation of my original comment, If your claim is that HN is demonstrably permissive because there have been multiple calls for people to be executed then it really is a question of being able to back that up with examples, otherwise the "because" aspect of your assertion falls apart. I also find it bizarre t…

> If your claim is that HN is demonstrably permissive because there have been multiple calls for people to be executed then it really is a question of being able to back that up with examples Let’s accept that no such comments have ever been made on the site (or if they have, they’ve been removed). How do you account for all the comments I linked to which were in favor of killing the CEO? > 1. Things on one specific…

> How do you account for all the comments I linked to which were in favor of killing the CEO?

Why would I account for that at all? It's neither relevant to the claim I responded to (members are calling for guillotines) nor to the broader topic at hand (anything that could be seen as remotely critical of the US administration is being hushed).

> What topic are you referring to?

The actions of the current US administration.

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Post by belter »

kristiandupont wrote: post #285
belter wrote: post #276

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The 2% ...And your company logic should not be in the Macros. "The Wall of Shame for the Worst Excel Errors" - https://www.solving-finance.com/post/the-wall-of-shame-for-t...

Right, so your argument is that this is easy , and if it turns out that it's not, we'll just be smug and tell them that they were holding it wrong all along? It sounds like you are picturing in your head that all spreadsheet work is greenfield. Do you have any idea how much Excel code is embedded everywhere? Very often made by people who are no longer around. You can lecture all you want, but this is the situation. I…

Relax...the weekend almost here... :-)

Did not intend to be smug...honestly..not really. :-) In my defense, I have more than 20 years corporate experience in tech AND finance domains, in more than 25 countries. And in the cultural domains of the five different languages I am familiar and whose grammar I regularly brutalize. Can't recognize the problem you are describing, as the mountain that would stop any company from start using LibreOffice.

All that logic in Excel sheets is just a serious governance problem...

"How an Excel error cost JP Morgan $6 billion" - https://www.linkedin.com/posts/eriklidman_how-an-excel-error...

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Post by lurk2 »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #291
lurk2 wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If your claim is that HN is demonstrably permissive because there have been multiple calls for people to be executed then it really is a question of being able to back that up with examples Let’s accept that no such comments have ever been made on the site (or if they have, they’ve been removed). How do you account for all the comments I linked to which were in favor of killing the CEO? > 1. Things on one specific…

> How do you account for all the comments I linked to which were in favor of killing the CEO? Why would I account for that at all? It's neither relevant to the claim I responded to (members are calling for guillotines) nor to the broader topic at hand (anything that could be seen as remotely critical of the US administration is being hushed). > What topic are you referring to? The actions of the current US administra…

> anything that could be seen as remotely critical of the US administration is being hushed

The US stops sharing air quality data from embassies worldwide (apnews.com) 639 points 448 comments

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43274821

> I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks (theguardian.com) 931 points 834 comments

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43410548

The A.I. Monarchy (substack.com) 213 points 268 comments

(This one is about Peter Thiel and Curtis Yarvin and their relationship with the Trump administration.)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43229245

GSA Eliminates 18F (nextgov.com) 529 points 482 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43221549

All of these threads were posted to the front page in the last month. None of them were flagged, none of them were removed, and similar threads have been getting posted since November of last year. You do not have to look far to find comments and threads critical of the Trump administration on this website. Note that all of these threads were just the ones I happened to see in the last month; if you browse New, posts about the Trump administration (and more specifically Elon Musk) make up somewhere around 10% of all submitted threads. I actually went and checked as I was writing this, and 3 out of 30 threads were related to DOGE or Elon Musk; so exactly 10%.

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Post by michaelcampbell »

dtech wrote: post #82
damnitbuilds wrote: post #8

Yeah, that Military-Industrial Complex thing that we hated? Well, now we want one.

The dislike is for the influence, not the existence of a military industry. See Eisenhower's original speech: > we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military–industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist.

> The dislike is for the influence, not the existence of a military industry.

While true, this feels like a difference without a distinction. It's like saying "We don't want something humans always do, without fail, but we want humans."

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Post by tony2016 »

zwnow wrote: post #101
xbmcuser wrote: post #43

Lets see if they put cash where there mouth is they should have been pouring billions of dollars into opensource software instead of paying Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Oracle etc in the first place. Europe countries have been client states of the USA for decades and just do whatever USA wanted first time USA has hurt their own interests so are waking up to the fact.

And there were so many wakeup calls... Microsoft alone would be reason enough to not use any of their software. They've been breached how many times in the past years?

Microsoft is huge and produces a ton of software. The bigger the surface area and the bigger is their popularity and number of consumers, the more the breaches. It's not like there's a breach every day. They're being good a patching their software and we have Patch Tuesdays where often they often patch zero day holes.

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Post by perching_aix »

Telemakhos wrote: post #171
drpossum wrote: post #137

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I do. These companies offer me choices and compete for my business. I can deploy to AWS (Amazon), Azure (MS), Google Cloud, or other competitors. My business will go to the one who gives me the best results for the least money. If they fail to provide me the services I want at a price that seems reasonable, or if I'm unhappy with them for any other reason, I can take my business elsewhere. Freedom and consent lie at…

Despite this, do you still recognize the countless tactics businesses use to lock their consumers in into their ecosystem as nonconsensual, or do you view that in a different light still?

You also mention innovation with regards to companies like Meta. How do things like the network effect fit into this model? To be more explicit, suppose I want to migrate off of Messenger to Signal. Meta won't allow bridges, and the people I know don't wish to switch. Surely it is not unreasonable for me to consider my continued usage of Meta's Messenger platform as nonconsensual, and my choices as impaired?

I personally regard this the same when people say stuff like "freedom of speech does not imply freedom of consequences from that speech". Very clearly that betrays the expectations one would reasonably build when they hear such a phrase.

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Post by hello_moto »

wolframhempel wrote: post #237
hello_moto wrote: post #229

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If you keep squeezing the middle income class, that’s the direction you’re going: poverty. Regardless of the existence of Manufacturing. Tax your rich fairly and you will see major shift.

I'm curious - in 2021, the top 1% earned 26% of all income in the united states. What % of total contribution to the country's federal income tax would you consider fair?

Wealth tax. Capital gain tax.

Not income tax.

Do the top 1% income tax include those people whose wealth increase because of their assets? Something to ponder…

We shouldn’t tax productive workforce more (in fact, we should tax less). We should tax unproductive assets more and redistribute.

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Post by zwnow »

tony2016 wrote: post #295
zwnow wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And there were so many wakeup calls... Microsoft alone would be reason enough to not use any of their software. They've been breached how many times in the past years?

Microsoft is huge and produces a ton of software. The bigger the surface area and the bigger is their popularity and number of consumers, the more the breaches. It's not like there's a breach every day. They're being good a patching their software and we have Patch Tuesdays where often they often patch zero day holes.

Last time I've checked they didnt even know if they were still breached after losing highly important keys, for months. And sorry, thats inexcusable.

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Post by lenkite »

andrewflnr wrote: post #130
tossandthrow wrote: post #102

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I was pondering in why the EU never really got targeted directly like Canada and Mexico with Trumps tarifs. I think this is it. And it would be incredibly bad for US tech billionaires if the EU started to move home all these contracts.

Nothing so rational, I'm sure. Tariffing Canada was already insane and he didn't care.

> Tariffing Canada was already insane and he didn't care.

Was it really ? It seems a bold and smart move. Some Canadian companies have already moved to the USA and many are contemplating moving this year if the tariffs still hold.

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Post by hello_moto »

wolframhempel wrote: post #237
hello_moto wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you keep squeezing the middle income class, that’s the direction you’re going: poverty. Regardless of the existence of Manufacturing. Tax your rich fairly and you will see major shift.

I'm curious - in 2021, the top 1% earned 26% of all income in the united states. What % of total contribution to the country's federal income tax would you consider fair?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...

Worked for multinational companies and the typical chatters are:

- US based employees get taxed less on RSU maturity but have to figure out how much they owe the Government afterwards.

- Meanwhile, EU and Canada based employees are all paying top rate tax and get refunded afterwards.

Interesting that US is the only outlier

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